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Kido, let me, let's begin by, what's your full name? My full name","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=11.64,24.06"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"is Refugio, R-E-F-U-G-I-O, Zapata, Z-A-P-A-T-A, junior. Where were you born? I was born in","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=24.06,36.32"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"McFadden, Texas, June 17, 1937, and of course my professional name is Kido, K-I-D-O,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=37.54,50.58"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"been known by that name for the longest.  How'd you come by that name? It's just a","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=50.58,59.5"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"name, I don't know, it just all of a sudden just stayed and all through the","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=59.5,64.319"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"years as I've been known as Kido, Kido, and nobody's called me any different","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=64.319,69.0"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"other than, you know. Names we won't mention. Yeah, we won't mention.  Why were your parents, who were your","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=69.0,79.26"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"parents? My parents is Mr. Refugio Zapata, senior. My mom's name is Pilar Zapata,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=79.26,90.08"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and of course my dad was born in 1901 in Laredo, Texas, my mom in 1914. He, your","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=91.06,104.3"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"father was a musician also? Yes, my dad was a musician.  He was a musician since","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=104.3,110.06"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"1917 and went professional in 1921, I believe it was. Did he ever mention how he got","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=112.8,122.12"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"into it? Well, he got into it because he really liked music all his life, he had","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=122.12,133.86"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"decided he wanted to go and take music lessons and learn various different","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=133.86,140.56"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"instruments, which he did. Where was he at that time? 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He moved around from San Marcos to","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=156.74,165.0"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ganado, to Victoria, to Houston, back to Sugar Land and that sort of thing. What were they","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=165.0,171.32"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"doing? Well, the reason is because he was this type of person that, you know, was","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=171.32,177.54"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"into the music business and like all musicians he, you know, he liked to move","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=177.54,182.5"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"around.  Well, were his parents with him at that time or did they stay in Laredo? 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He met her in Sugar Land,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=207.9,215.22"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Texas and they were married in Victoria, Texas, way back when.  Did he ever say why","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=215.4,226.48"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"he was in Sugar Land at that time? Yeah, he was playing, you know, he was","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=226.48,232.62"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"working, he was jobbing around, he came to Houston back in the 20s and was","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=232.62,239.22"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"working in Houston and all around those little cities, you know, Victoria,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=239.22,245.7"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Richmond, Hungerford, in all of those cities he was working, playing. Was it","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=246.26,252.86"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"mainly to Mexican-American crowds? No, no, he played also for the Anglo crowd a lot,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=252.86,260.74"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"you know, they used to like him because he used to play a lot of","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=260.74,266.02"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"hillbilly and he played what they used to call then hokum music. Hokum, which is","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=266.02,272.34"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"now Dixieland or jazz, you know, it's what's considered jazz.  What were his","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=272.34,278.9"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"instruments? What did he learn on? 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Did he have any music background in his family?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=299.2,308.1"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"No, I asked him that and he told me that he didn't have anybody other","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=309.82,315.0"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"than all the family loved music, the whole family loved music. His dad, he said,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=315.0,323.26"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"had an art to whistle and he whistled very beautiful, you know, he's one of","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=323.34,328.08"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"these type of guys that was gifted to be able to whistle in this particular way,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=328.08,334.14"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"you know, and what have you, and his sisters all liked to sing but other than","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=334.26,342.42"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"that nobody had a musical background.  As far as musical instruments were concerned?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=342.42,346.3"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"As far as musical instruments, right, yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=346.5,349.1"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/46","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So tell me again where he learned to play? I mean where did he take lessons?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=353.34,357.84"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well he took lessons in San Marcos, San Marcos and also right around San","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=358.14,366.22"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Antonio, you know, which is pretty close to San Marcos. He worked also in","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=366.22,372.28"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/49","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"San Antonio for a long while.  Oh, and Corpus, Christa, Texas, he was in Corpus.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=372.28,377.48"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/50","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"He was also in Corpus. He spent a lot of time in Corpus.  He was moving just to play his music, huh?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=377.8,385.42"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/51","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Right, but, you know, during that time which was very hard to make a living, he also did, you know,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=387.06,397.32"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/52","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"other jobs as far as radio announcing and anything that came into mind, you","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=397.32,405.72"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/53","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"know, anything that he could do. He even worked for the railroad, you know, putting","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=405.72,410.08"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/54","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"ties up and that sort of thing. Oh, he did, he worked for the railroad? Yeah, he also did that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=410.08,414.68"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/55","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"What type of act, you mentioned that he, I noticed in some of the","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=414.88,419.26"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/56","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"photographs that we're going to reproduce, that he is announcing in a","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=419.26,425.0"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/57","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"radio station. 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How long","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=466.54,473.38"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/63","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"he stayed here, I don't know. What was he doing here when he was here? He was playing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=473.38,476.62"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/64","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"He was playing.  Oh yeah. Did he have a musical group of his own? 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Did he ever mention the name of the","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=487.42,493.46"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/67","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"groups? 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But the first group you remember him having was what?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=531.22,537.88"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/71","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It was Zapata's Orchestra, and that was when I was with him.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=538.4,546.56"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/72","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Now, when did you, when did you get, so he was here during the 20s, but when did he come back","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=548.46,557.24"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/73","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"here to live? In 1949. In 49, yes.  Is that, when did you get started in the music? In 1949 also.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=557.24,565.88"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/74","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Where were you born? I was born in McFadden, Texas. Oh, that's McFadden.  Yeah, McFadden, Texas.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=565.88,571.5"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/75","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"What were y'all doing in McFadden? We didn't stay there very long.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=572.32,577.24"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/76","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"There's not much to do in McFadden.  Actually, we moved to Victoria, and that's where we spent most","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=579.0,584.58"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/77","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"of my, you know, teen years there in Victoria, and then we came to Houston. 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Do you remember that? Yeah, we lived out in the country.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=777.65,782.75"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/104","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The old Port Lavaca Highway part of Victoria, that was on the outskirts.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=785.95,791.93"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/105","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And so what made y'all decide to move to Houston?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=793.75,797.83"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/106","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, my dad, yes, I do remember, I can remember just as well as, like, if it was yesterday, I","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=799.25,806.31"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/107","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"remember that my dad said that things in Victoria were not good enough for us, as far as","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=806.31,814.25"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/108","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"the musical thing, as far as making a good living, and that sort of thing, you know,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=814.93,820.75"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/109","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and at that time Houston was very prosperous, you know, so we came to Houston because of that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=821.33,827.37"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/110","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Did y'all know anybody here in Houston? Oh, my dad knew tons of people.  My dad knew people from all","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=827.81,833.41"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/111","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"over, all over the state of Texas, and just all over. He knew quite a few people. We came to Houston,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=833.41,840.03"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/112","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"like I said, my dad had been here in the in the 20s, early 20s, and he met a lot of people here,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=840.59,848.83"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/113","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and then we came here, and we lived with his people for a few months, and then we got our","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=848.89,854.81"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/114","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"own home.  Who were the people you lived with? The Hinojosas, Mr. and Mrs. Robert Hinojosas.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=854.81,863.65"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/115","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We were living in the second ward in Fox Street. 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Right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=880.49,884.95"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/118","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"By then, by the time you left school, were you already playing? Oh, yes, yes, I started playing","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=887.07,893.69"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/119","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"in 1949. Okay, yeah, yeah, okay.  What year did you leave school? What do you remember? 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Yeah,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=913.23,922.13"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/122","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"he had a band right away, and that's one of the pictures that I had shown you there where we were","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=922.17,926.93"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/123","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"playing. 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I mean, they used to kill people in there and that","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=944.69,951.23"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/126","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"sort of thing, you know, but it didn't make any difference to us. Y'all kept playing? Yeah, we kept playing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=951.23,955.39"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/127","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"What was the configuration of the first group that y'all had here? 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Let's see which photograph that is.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=962.93,970.41"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/129","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"This is one of the first bands that we had here, I know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=972.13,975.77"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/130","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, we had it here.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=975.77,978.51"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/131","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"All righty. All right, let's see. That's one, two, three, four of us.  There were four of y'all.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=981.85,987.21"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/132","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Actually, it should be five because we had a drummer there, but he's not shown in that picture.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=988.77,993.61"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/133","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I remember the drummer very well.  Who were the two trumpet players? A guy by the name of Val.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=994.43,1001.89"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/134","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I don't know what his last name is, but this guy's name is Manuel Varela. That's the man in the","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=1001.89,1009.03"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/135","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"middle, the trumpet player in the middle? Yes.  Who's the man standing behind him? 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Yeah, that was what you'd really call the first organized band. Yeah, you","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=1050.67,1057.59"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/142","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"know, we were driving around, my dad and I, we were doing, you know, some jobs as far as trios","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=1057.59,1066.49"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/143","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and quartets and what have you. 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You know, as far as, I was one of these","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=1073.11,1084.27"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/145","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"type of guys, when I first started, that I, the money situation didn't mean anything to me, you know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=1084.27,1091.21"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/146","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I just wanted to get out and enjoy my life, you know, and believe it or not all the money I made","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=1091.35,1097.57"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/147","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I gave to my dad, you know. I didn't, I've never thought about it, but I come to find out that it was","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=1097.57,1106.19"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/148","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"not really as good as, you know, as what I really thought it was going to be, you know.  What do you","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=1106.19,1112.39"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/149","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"mean by that? That, you know, it was really good. 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So you, did you play with your, okay,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=1128.83,1136.87"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/152","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"let me get the sequence of events here. When y'all got to town in 49, y'all immediately started into","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=1136.87,1142.87"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/153","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"the musical scene? Right. Okay.  You and your dad always played together or did you play separately?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=1142.87,1148.89"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/154","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"My dad and my brother, yes, my brother also. Who was your brother now? My brother was Manuel Zapata.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=1148.89,1157.03"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/155","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"All right.  And he was a guitar player of the group, you know. He's not in that picture though. No, he's","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=1157.33,1164.37"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/156","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"not in that picture because I believe at that time he had gone to the service.  Okay. At that","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=1164.37,1170.63"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/157","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"particular time. When do you think that picture was taken? That was taken in the 50s, the very,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=1170.63,1177.45"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/158","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"very early 50s, maybe 1950 itself.  But he had gone to the, he went to the service.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=1177.67,1185.13"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/159","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Right, but we also had my sister who is Rosie Zapata, she was singing with a group also","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=1185.29,1193.73"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/160","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and she was about six or seven years old. And she still sang with the group? Yes, she was singing","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=1193.73,1199.15"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/161","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"with a group at that time.  What type of, when y'all started here in Houston, how would you","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=1199.15,1205.07"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/162","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"characterize y'all's music? What type of music did y'all play? 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But, like I said, we, that was a big majority of it, but we","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=1221.51,1233.27"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/165","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"also did, you know, the other things that were a lot of the Anglo music, you know, that we did.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=1233.27,1239.55"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/166","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Such as? We did country and western, we did the old standards, you know,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=1240.15,1247.35"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/167","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"not too much into jazz, because at that time I didn't know anything about jazz. I didn't start","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=1247.35,1253.81"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/168","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"getting into jazz until the late 50s. And we were also doing some, a lot of Mexican music,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=1253.81,1265.25"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/169","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"when I say Mexican, you know, music from Mexico, you know, the danzon, the bolero, the","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=1265.79,1272.53"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/170","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"cancillas rancheras, and all of that, you know.  But then when I'm saying the Tex-Mex music we're","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=1272.53,1278.07"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/171","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"talking about, you know, the polkas and the, you know, the typical Tex-Mex. Well, I hear a lot also","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=1278.07,1284.87"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/172","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"about the mambos and the cha-cha-chas. Did y'all do that? Oh yeah, oh yeah, we got into that right","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=1284.87,1291.37"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/173","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"around 1951 or 52, then we started getting into that.  That was the old Pedestral era, you know,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=1291.37,1299.97"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/174","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"when it got real popular, even before Cherry Pink and Apple Blossom, which was one of the most,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=1301.19,1309.53"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/175","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"probably one of the most famous mambos of Pedestral. But I'm talking prior to that, we","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=1310.39,1317.53"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/176","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"got into it real deep, you know. Then by that time we had a larger group, and there was something","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=1318.29,1324.79"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/177","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"like about 11 or 12 musicians in the group, you know.  About, by the time y'all got 11 or 12","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=1324.79,1332.01"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/178","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"musicians, about what year was that? This was in somewhere around 1951. I see, yeah, so y'all went","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=1332.01,1339.53"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/179","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"pretty quick. Oh yeah, yeah, we got into it right quick, because, you know, by that time, like I","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=1339.53,1346.71"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/180","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"said, I started feeling myself that I wanted to become a musician.  At first, I didn't care too","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=1346.71,1352.61"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/181","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"much about it, you know. I just, I got into it because of my dad, you know. He said, well, you","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=1352.61,1358.85"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/182","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"gotta get into it.  You're, you've got the, you know, you've got the knowledge for it. I just,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=1358.85,1364.63"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/183","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I didn't know that at the time, you know what I'm saying. I was too young.  Sure, you looked like you","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=1364.77,1370.07"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/184","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"were just in your teens. I was, I was around 13 or 14 years old. I see, uh-huh.  So, in the mechanics","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=1370.07,1381.63"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/185","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"of getting a group together, how did y'all go about doing that? Did y'all just know other","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=1381.63,1387.19"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/186","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"musicians? I mean, how did you go about getting a group together? Well, um, in, in the, in the 40s,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=1387.19,1395.11"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/187","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"or in the 40s when we, yeah, okay, when we got here, like I said, my dad already knew some people here,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=1395.11,1400.55"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/188","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"you know, and he already knew a lot of the musicians here, and he, he had this friend of his, this guy","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=1400.63,1407.77"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/189","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"that I had mentioned a little while ago. His name is Fidel Olivares. Fidel Olivares","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=1407.77,1415.55"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/190","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"was a bass player, exceptionally fine, very fine musician, one of the finest musicians I've ever","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=1416.95,1424.05"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/191","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"worked with, and a gentleman that I had a lot of respect for.  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So, he knew Fidel very well, and then Fidel knew another guy, and it's a","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=1442.15,1448.23"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/194","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"word by mouth, and it starts getting around, you know, and my dad had a good reputation of being a","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=1448.23,1453.75"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/195","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"good musician. So, you kind of go into this thing, like I heard it through the grapevine, you know, that","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=1453.75,1464.55"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/196","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"your dad is a very fine musician, and then musicians just started to come to him, you know,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=1465.29,1470.39"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/197","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and say, hey, you know, I'm ready to work, I'm ready to play, and we had some very, very good musicians","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=1470.47,1476.03"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/198","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"work with the band, and come in, and try out for the band, and you know, my dad was a, like I said,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=1477.51,1484.49"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/199","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"an exceptional musician.  He read well, and he wrote well, and he played all the instruments, so you know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=1484.59,1491.03"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/200","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"He wrote music too? Oh yeah, yeah, he was a writer, he was a composer, he was an arranger also, you know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=1491.13,1499.69"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/201","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Could you read music by then? Were you? 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All the time, yeah,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=1511.19,1519.03"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/203","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"that I was playing, but I had a basic idea as to, you know, I could see the measures, and","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=1519.13,1528.61"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/204","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"just go by measures, you know, but other than that, a whole bunch of notes would scare me,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=1528.61,1533.35"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/205","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"you know, I didn't get into that until about five years ago, and now I'm writing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=1533.49,1537.95"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/206","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I've learned to write. I can write better than what I can read.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=1539.71,1544.11"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/207","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"You know what you want to hear? 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We","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=1773.21,1781.59"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/241","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"were traveling with a band. To where? 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Was there much turnover in the band?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=1895.75,1901.91"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/257","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yeah, as usual, you know, they come and go real fast, you know. Why is that? Why? 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In a band, in the band, in the photographs that you have,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=1937.45,1943.53"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/262","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I was looking at, I was wondering, was there a problem with alcohol?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=1943.63,1947.47"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/263","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yeah, you know, it's like everything else, you know.  There was a lot of alcohol,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=1948.69,1955.79"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/264","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and some, you know, some drugs. Was it even in the 50s, was there some drugs? Oh yeah, yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=1958.03,1965.37"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/265","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Primarily what?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=1965.81,1966.81"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/266","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"They had, there's things like brass and pills and, you know, that kind of stuff, and","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=1970.27,1976.93"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/267","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"cocaine was around, but it wasn't around as popular as, I guess, I should say,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=1976.93,1983.89"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/268","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"as open as it is now, you know.  But there was cocaine back in those days? Oh yeah, yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=1984.79,1990.59"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/269","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"What is it about it that attracts you to music, to musicians? Have you ever thought about that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=1991.33,1997.55"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/270","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"No, no. I, you know, I've always thought as a person that drinks or takes pills and things,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=1997.55,2007.35"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/271","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"it's just a fantasy trip, you know, and that's what I, what I, what I, the way I look at it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=2007.47,2015.07"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/272","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I don't, I don't drink, I don't smoke, and I don't take any of those things, you know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=2016.47,2022.85"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/273","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Which brings up a good point. What did y'all, like in that, in those photographs there, the","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=2023.49,2028.81"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/274","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"first one, the one where there were just four of y'all shown, what were y'all getting paid?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=2028.81,2034.67"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/275","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Probably somewhere around maybe $14 a piece, yeah.  And how long would you have to play for that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=2036.91,2044.23"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/276","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"You'd have to work somewhere around, the leader usually makes more money,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=2045.05,2051.27"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/277","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"as usual. Who was your dad? Who was my dad, right. The question was what now? 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Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=2143.05,2150.21"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/292","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Nowhere out of the state of Texas, no, where ours was primarily here because,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=2152.65,2157.83"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/293","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"well, all the jobs were here, you know, we didn't, we didn't have to travel.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=2158.83,2162.85"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/294","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Were y'all mainly with Hispanic audiences at that time? 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He said, you're doing most of the work, you know, and so you go ahead and take the band,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=2306.69,2311.25"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/316","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"he says, and, and he says, it'd give me a chance to relax a little bit, you know, because, you know,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=2311.41,2319.19"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/317","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"there's a lot of work to, to having a band, especially a large band.  When, when he first","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=2320.09,2325.85"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/318","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"came here, did he get another job? Was he working a daytime job? Oh, yeah, he, he, right away he came in","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=2325.85,2333.15"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/319","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and, and, you know, he, he took a job with a clothing store and, and also here again he started","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=2333.15,2341.95"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/320","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"selling insurance. He was also, he was always also a insurance salesman ever since, well, I don't know,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=2341.95,2351.29"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/321","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"the late 20s or so. Who did he sell for? Woodman of the World Insurance.  He sold for him until,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=2351.29,2363.11"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/322","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"really until he passed away, yeah. He was even 81, 82, he was still selling. Did y'all ever play for","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=2363.13,2371.25"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/323","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"the Woodman of the World? Never, never, then I, wait a minute, no, no, we did, yeah, we did,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=2371.25,2378.19"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/324","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"we played a couple of their functions, yes, I'm sorry, yeah, we did.  Where were they held, do you remember?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=2378.19,2384.07"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/325","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ah, shucks, I remember one, but there are the rest I don't remember. One was at the Log Cabin on","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=2386.57,2394.61"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/326","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Old Galveston Highway. Yeah, shoot, that's about the only one I can remember, but we, yeah, we did play a","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=2394.61,2409.99"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/327","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"in the, y'all played at, of course, the American Legion Hall in Magnolia Park.  Were there other","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=2409.99,2415.51"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/328","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"places in Magnolia that y'all played? Oh yeah, yeah, we played, like I said, we played the lounges,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=2415.51,2424.21"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/329","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"the lounges, the log cabins, the, there was a place called the Casa Blanca,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=2425.03,2431.23"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/330","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"but there's quite a few, quite a few. 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What did you, did you make any changes?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=2439.97,2448.95"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/332","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, most of the older musicians about that time had already gotten out of the band","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=2454.49,2460.01"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/333","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and I started getting in some young kids in the band, you know, guys that could read real,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=2460.77,2468.25"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/334","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"real good, not saying that the older guys couldn't read, but by that time they,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=2468.47,2472.19"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/335","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"the band, the band was changing anyway, you know, and we were getting a lot of the younger musicians","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=2472.63,2479.07"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/336","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"playing in there.  Musically, did y'all change? Oh yeah, the concept of the band changed, you know,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=2479.07,2488.13"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/337","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"we were getting more into the more modern type of music, you know,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=2490.01,2494.17"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/338","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"whatever it was at that time. Were you working anywhere else besides? Oh yes,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=2497.01,2503.43"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/339","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"yes. What were you doing? I worked for Wine Gardens and I stayed with them for a long time,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=2503.65,2511.55"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/340","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"probably, let's see, about 12 years or so, you know, but I was working like five or six nights","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=2513.17,2522.39"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/341","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"a week at that time, you know.  And music? Oh yeah, I was a full-time musician. I left,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=2522.39,2529.13"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/342","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I left Wine Gardens because of that, they were trying to pressure me into getting in,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=2529.21,2534.39"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/343","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"to staying with them and being a foreman for the company and I said no, I said","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=2534.49,2539.61"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/344","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"what are the hours and what have you, you know, and they said well this and that and I said no,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=2540.79,2545.99"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/345","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I said I've been in the music business too long just to let it go like that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=2547.19,2551.43"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/346","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"About what year was this? 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No, he was self-educated, believe it or not,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=2570.81,2577.51"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/349","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and he spoke very, very good English. He, the Anglo people used to love him to death because,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=2579.49,2588.67"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/350","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"you know, his musical ability and he was one of these type of guys that was well-liked, you know,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=2588.67,2595.39"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/351","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and was a very funny type of person, you know, he had a lot of things to say and make you laugh","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=2596.13,2602.85"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/352","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and all that. I wanted to go back over, I noticed he was a radio announcer in, not in Baytown,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=2602.85,2607.97"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/353","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"but where? In Bay City.  How did he, did he ever tell you about that job? Oh yeah, I was with him,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=2608.13,2615.77"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/354","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I used to go out there with him, I used to stay with him a lot, you know, at that time we were","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=2615.77,2620.75"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/355","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"living in Victoria, but he would come back and forth at times, you know, or maybe just stay up","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=2620.75,2627.85"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/356","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"over there. Was he announcing in English or Spanish? No, he was announcing in Spanish and","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=2627.85,2635.47"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/357","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"but when he came to KLEE here in Houston, he would announce in English and Spanish. How long","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=2637.89,2644.99"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/358","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"did he announce at? At Caliwex? Yes.  In Bay City? Shoot, you know, that I can't remember, I would say","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=2644.99,2654.97"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/359","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"a year maybe, a year and a half. What type of program did he have? 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This was in Bay City, Texas.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=2686.59,2693.85"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/364","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But I noticed y'all had a picture in front of Baytown. Right, he worked in, first of all, he","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=2694.13,2701.17"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/365","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"worked in KVIC in Victoria, then in Bay City, then to KLEE here in Houston, then another radio station,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=2701.17,2713.69"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/366","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I can't think of the name of that station to save my life. This was in Baytown over there.  Was it","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=2713.69,2720.69"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/367","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"also Mexican-American music? Right, right, right. Was it like an hour-long program? An hour, yeah,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=2720.69,2731.09"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/368","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"this was an hour and he had very early hours type of program, you know. I would say somewhere between","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=2731.45,2739.67"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/369","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"six and seven in the mornings, you know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=2739.67,2743.41"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/370","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Not all of them, you know, but most of the time it was in the early, he liked that","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=2745.21,2750.05"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/371","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"early programs type of thing, you know. How did he get on at KLEE? Do you remember how he got","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=2751.15,2757.55"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/372","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"on that program? KLEE, well like I said, he was well liked by a lot of people. I don't know,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=2757.55,2766.61"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/373","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"if I'm not mistaken, I think he went and applied for the job, okay, because at that time they","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=2768.05,2774.43"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/374","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"didn't have any, they hardly had any Mexican-American radio stations here and he said,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=2774.43,2785.11"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/375","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"hey, it's about time people start, you know, getting some Mexican-American music here and","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=2785.35,2791.39"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/376","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"being more familiar with it.  It had been an all-anglo type of thing, so he went and applied","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=2791.39,2797.79"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/377","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"for the job and the guy already had heard of him and he liked my dad, you know, somewhere along","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=2797.79,2804.59"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/378","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"the line he met him or heard him play or something, you know, and he gave him that program and he","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=2804.59,2810.07"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/379","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"stayed with him for a long time. The guy used to love him to death. A year, two years, how long","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=2810.07,2815.55"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/380","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"would you say? I would say he stayed there about a year and a half or so, yeah, and this was, I","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=2815.55,2822.75"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/381","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"never will forget, it was right downtown on Texas between Maine and Travis,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=2822.75,2831.87"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/382","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"right in front of that Bryce Hotel, that's where it used to be.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=2834.09,2837.43"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/383","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Now, what years would you say that was? 1950s? In the middle 50s. Mid-50s. Yeah.  Now, the Baytown thing again was after that. That was after that, yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=2840.33,2851.01"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/384","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And what year was that? That was in the late 50s.  How did he get that job? 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Oh, he didn't keep that very long,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=2865.37,2871.37"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/387","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I'd say six months or so, you know, yeah. At that time the band was really working and I think he","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=2871.49,2879.25"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/388","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"wanted to work more with the band and, you know, he had the option to do whatever he wanted to,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=2879.25,2885.05"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/389","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"really, because, you know, he had the insurance business and everything, you know,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=2885.13,2889.65"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/390","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"but his primary thing was the music.  He was in love with the music and you could tell, you know,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=2889.65,2900.91"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/391","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"anytime he played music, even in his last six months of his life. When you took over the band,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=2900.95,2908.77"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/392","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"what was the band's name? Do you remember the name? We kept the name Zapata. Zapata's Orchestra? Zapata, yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=2908.91,2915.51"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/393","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Did you ever change it after that? What evolution did it go through? 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Then it was like a quartet and quintets and what have you, you know, so","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=2929.57,2935.95"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/396","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"it would change according to whatever. Did you have a, when you were, after you got the,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=2935.95,2943.55"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/397","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"then maybe even before,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=2943.55,2945.29"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/398","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"did y'all just have a set pool of musicians you used depending upon the place or did you","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=2947.29,2954.21"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/399","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"have a group of people that you used all the time no matter where you went? 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Well, like when we had the big orchestra, when we had the big band, then we","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=2959.51,2967.71"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/401","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"we used primarily that, you know, but then when it come down to the smaller groups, you would,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=2967.71,2976.93"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/402","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"you know, you would handpick different musicians","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=2978.81,2982.63"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/403","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"according to what job you would have, you know, as to, for instance,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=2983.73,2988.83"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/404","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"you had an exceptional trumpet player that could sing in the job call for a quartet so","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=2992.01,2997.39"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/405","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"you used a trumpet player that could sing and, you know, the more you could get out of the","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=2997.39,3003.33"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/406","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"musician, the better it was and that sort of thing. 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What was the most demand for? How many","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=3033.45,3040.33"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/412","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"people could you easily get a demand, you know, to get a group together? 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Did you ever try, did they ever try to stick you? Oh, man,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=3083.57,3088.29"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/419","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"many times.  One time I, we went out of town and this is one of the times we got shot at and","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=3088.37,3096.19"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/420","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"throwing bottles at because a guy didn't want to pay us, you know. We arrived there an hour","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=3096.19,3101.97"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/421","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"late, we had a car problem, believe it or not, but we arrived there an hour late and the guy","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=3101.97,3108.43"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/422","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"got all pissed off, but we paid the job anyway, you know, and he said, no man, we lost too much","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=3108.43,3115.71"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/423","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"money. 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We were in Waco,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=3128.11,3135.39"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/426","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"mind you, we went all the way to Waco. And they weren't going to pay you a dime? 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What did you do? I","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=3155.39,3163.53"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/430","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"said, oh yeah, yeah, we got out of there real quick, like, you know, I mean, hey, you're talking about","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=3163.53,3168.71"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/431","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"seven or eight musicians against, you know, a ton of people, you know, I think.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=3169.45,3174.73"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/432","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"What year was this? 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It wasn't funny at the time, I guess it wasn't funny at all.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=3189.55,3195.39"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/435","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, did you, you, did you get married? 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Was she from Houston? She was from a little city outside of Houston,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=3235.92,3243.92"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/440","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"League City, and I, of course, I met her","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=3243.92,3248.34"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/441","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"through her mom, her mom, who used to hire my dad to play for her, hired me to play","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=3251.64,3260.22"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/442","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and that's how I met them. So, music has been your life in other words? Oh yeah, all 40 years of it,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=3260.88,3267.82"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/443","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"yeah, that's all I've done just about all my life.  After the big band, after you got","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=3268.46,3278.58"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/444","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"hold of the big band and then it began to change, what, did you see a decline or how did you feel","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=3278.58,3287.08"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/445","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"about the change in music that went, say, from the late 50s to the 60s? 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I'm talking about, you know, 83, 84 because of the, you know, inflation,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=3306.64,3314.86"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/449","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I'm going to call it inflation, a lot of people are not going to call it that, but I will,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=3315.66,3319.62"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/450","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"jobs are scarce, money, money was scarce, people's just, from 1979 to 82 or 83, I worked a steady job","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=3321.64,3335.58"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/451","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and then once I got out of that club, seemed like the whole thing just dropped out,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=3336.42,3344.64"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/452","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"there's no jobs, no money. What club was that? The El Caballero nightclub,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=3344.64,3349.18"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/453","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"it was a very successful club, probably the most successful club","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=3350.26,3354.7"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/454","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"in the history of Latin America, in the history of Houston.  Now, where is that, where is that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=3355.42,3362.22"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/455","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"This was on Glenmont, Chimney Rock. It's still there, it is. It's still there,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=3362.24,3369.32"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/456","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"but at that time it was so prosperous, I mean, it was doing great, people used to line up,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=3369.32,3376.82"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/457","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"man, just wait out there and I had a, I was using a six-piece group there and I went","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=3377.02,3383.08"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/458","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"strictly all Latin music, doing a lot of Puerto Rican, Cuban and that sort of stuff,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=3383.08,3389.62"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/459","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"hardly any Mexican-American.  When did you go to that? I mean,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=3391.98,3396.12"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/460","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"well, actually, actually, I started feeling that kind of bug back in 1950, in 1951,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=3396.12,3405.7"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/461","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"when I heard the Pérez Prado music, which was a guy that I idolized, you know,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=3405.84,3410.72"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/462","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"that was my idol and has been, you know, as far as Mexican music, I mean, the Caribbean,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=3411.48,3422.44"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/463","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Caribbean music, you know, that's not Mexican music and I started feeling the bug then and","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=3422.44,3430.96"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/464","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"like I said, we started making a little transition there right around 1952 or 53,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=3430.96,3439.38"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/465","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"something like that, that we started changing and started going into the","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=3439.58,3444.7"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/466","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Mambo era and I started feeling that then, you know, and through the years, little by little,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=3446.36,3455.0"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/467","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I kept getting into it more and more and more and more and more, it got to the point to where","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=3455.1,3459.72"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/468","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"people thought that I was Cuban or Puerto Rican, you know, and I'm just one of these little country","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=3459.72,3466.64"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/469","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"boys from, you know, from Texas. 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I noticed in some of the photographs you've got and they're common","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=3496.32,3503.48"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/474","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"pictures that I see in terms of some of the band musicians have these big sleeved...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=3504.0,3509.36"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/475","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That's called a guayabera and guayaberas are used by tropical groups","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=3510.66,3516.16"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/476","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and my dad also was working, was playing some of those jobs.  I never did use those things,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=3517.2,3522.88"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/477","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I, it was never called for, but I never did use it, but that is the traditional","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=3524.18,3529.72"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/478","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"wardrobe of the tropical music, you know, yeah. 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Tropical music.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=3544.42,3549.44"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/481","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Uh-huh. I noticed there was a nightclub here in Houston called El Tropical. El Tropical, yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=3549.44,3556.14"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/482","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"What was that all about? 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I mean, did y'all? No, no, no, we never did work there,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=3593.82,3599.26"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/489","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"not with the Zapata Orchestra, I worked there as a sideman. What do you mean by sideman?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=3599.26,3606.16"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/490","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Okay, sideman, which means that I, I was hired to play, to take the place of a, of a musician that was,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=3606.22,3614.22"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/491","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"uh, absent for some reason or other, you know, so I was a sideman there, you know. In other words,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=3614.26,3621.18"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/492","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I wasn't the leader, you know, you're just the sideman.  The leader is the leader and sideman is","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=3621.22,3627.18"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/493","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"the guy on the side, you know, that, uh, replaces somebody. In the 1950s, and I want to, I want to","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=3627.18,3635.34"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/494","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"clarify a point here, of the very popular places that y'all played, what was the play, place that","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=3635.34,3642.26"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/495","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"y'all played the most frequently? You mentioned the Blossom Heath, you mentioned, uh. In the 50s? 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Now, you,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=4037.73,4044.15"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/551","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"you said you played for the, the, the Caballero Club from when to when? 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I was doing, um,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=4073.93,4076.75"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/556","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"uh, we were doing a lot of jazz. We were doing a lot of, uh,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=4077.57,4081.99"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/557","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"salsa music. We started doing some salsa music then, uh,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=4082.57,4087.69"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/558","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"just a little bit of everything.  I, uh, I was working with, uh, well, I had my own groups most of the time,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=4090.39,4096.649"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/559","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and also worked with a real fine quartet, uh, Rene Sandoval, Johnny Castillo, Lucio Sanchez,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=4096.75,4105.99"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/560","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"uh, exceptional musicians, very good musicians. 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Uh, all I know is that they were, uh, uh, they were out, uh, to do an out-of-town job,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=4155.33,4165.71"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/567","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and, uh, the car went out of control.  Guys got killed, you know. I think they were on their","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=4165.97,4172.41"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/568","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"way back to Houston, too. Is that an occupational hazard? 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I hadn't taken a drink","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=4279.39,4285.39"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/585","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"that one night at all. Coming on the way back, I was just so tired, and, you know, I just completely","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=4285.39,4292.11"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/586","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"just passed out asleep. 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I had my, my ribs all broken, you know,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=4380.35,4386.45"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/600","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"my kneecap. How long did it take you to recuperate? 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I was noticing, well, in fact, I think it'd be","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=4434.13,4441.01"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/608","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"interesting to look at some of these pictures as we go along.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=4441.57,4446.71"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/609","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"This, this, this is a picture of that, that group, uh, that, uh, with, uh, with, with the Guayaberas.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=4448.87,4454.53"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/610","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Exactly. Where was that picture taken? This was taken at the, uh, Spanish village here in Houston,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=4454.81,4460.27"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/611","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"back in the middle 60s. Middle 60s, and you were, you were in that group? Yeah, no, I'm not,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=4461.17,4468.15"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/612","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"no, I'm not in that group, that's my dad's.  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I noticed the, uh, this one was taken at home.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=4487.07,4494.23"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/616","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Right. And that's your sister there? That's my sister, Rosie.  She's, she, she was singing with","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=4494.23,4501.03"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/617","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"a band, believe it or not. 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Oh, she didn't sing very long, maybe just a few months.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=4515.71,4520.69"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/620","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yeah. And how about this, this photograph here, the one with the, with five men with your dad on","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=4524.81,4531.95"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/621","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"bass? It looks like you're in the studio. Yeah, yeah, this was a studio job.  This, uh, this was done, as a","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=4531.95,4538.31"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/622","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"matter of fact, right around the corner from where we first moved into Houston, uh, which was on Fox","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=4538.31,4545.49"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/623","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Street, and this was on, uh, Middle Street. The studio was in Middle, and that's where we took the","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=4545.49,4551.85"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/624","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"picture. By that time, I had already taken over this group, you know.  I had this group, man. I see.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=4551.85,4558.63"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/625","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"What was the name of the group at that time? It was also the Zapata Quintet, you know.  What, where,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=4558.95,4564.27"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/626","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"where was it, you say it was, it was it a studio? Whose studio was it? Um.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=4564.27,4568.65"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/627","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That wasn't Valerio, was it? Valerio Studio, yeah. It was Valerio Studio.  Yeah, that's where it's taken.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=4572.6,4579.1"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/628","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Everybody used to take your pictures. Absolutely.  Yeah, all the musicians used to. Was this a publicity shot?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=4579.1,4585.22"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/629","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"This was a publicity shot. We were, um, we were, uh, auditioning or not auditioning.  We were kind of, uh,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=4585.38,4595.76"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/630","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"hoping we'd get this job for, uh, to get this group in to work, and, uh, which we did. We got the job.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=4595.76,4603.96"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/631","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"What was it? We started, the job was,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=4603.96,4607.0"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/632","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"oh, shucks, let me see where this job was that we were going to, uh, oh, yeah, the Fred Astaire Studios.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=4610.7,4617.8"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/633","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Doing the Fred, uh, we, we did a lot of things for the dancers, you know. Here in Houston.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=4619.68,4624.9"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/634","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Here in Houston, yeah.  We played all the Arthur Murray, Fred Astaire Studios, and that's, that's","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=4625.24,4633.18"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/635","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"where we, uh, we were getting this picture from. Now this one is a, uh, is a picture with the, y'all,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=4633.18,4642.82"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/636","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"they have the little hats on. That's the same, uh, that's for the same club, it's the same people.  See,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=4642.96,4648.6"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/637","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"they got that tropical look with those, uh, straw hats. Luis Munoz. Luis Munoz, yes.  Who was Luis Munoz?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=4649.02,4656.58"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/638","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Luis Munoz is, uh, uh, was a keyboard player that, uh, had come in from Mexico,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=4656.58,4663.88"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/639","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and, uh, had organized this group, and he and my dad worked together for a long time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=4665.38,4670.82"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/640","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Your dad did not go with your new group in the 60s? He did not play with y'all? No, he, actually,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=4671.04,4677.98"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/641","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"he was working with Munoz, and I was working with, uh, this other group. By that time, we had already,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=4678.06,4683.52"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/642","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"you know, pretty well went on our own, and he was working with these guys.  I was working with, uh,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=4683.52,4690.74"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/643","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"uh, the René Sandoval, and, uh, it was called the Master Sound. The Master Sound. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=4692.06,4698.74"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/644","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Very, very fine quartet, very versatile. We did a lot of vocal things, and did everything from","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=4700.72,4707.68"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/645","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Blood, Sweat, and Tears to, to Loa and Melon, and Little Joe, and I mean, we had a good,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=4707.68,4715.98"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/646","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"good quartet. Did you, did you ever do vocals, or you sing? Uh, I did some vocals, yeah.  I, I","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=4716.1,4722.78"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/647","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"pretty well stopped singing now. You know, my voice got too hoarse, and, and you start getting a real","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=4722.78,4729.16"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/648","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"bad vibrato as you get older, so I kind of got away from that, and I've always, I've always been","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=4729.16,4735.06"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/649","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"conscious of that. Really? Yeah.  Now, the other ones, the other ones here, let me take a look here.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=4735.06,4743.56"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/650","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"This photograph here with Gaston Ponce in it, uh, where was that taken? This was taken at the, uh,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=4744.94,4751.82"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/651","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"old Acapulco, but about that time, I think it had changed name. It was called,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=4751.94,4756.98"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/652","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"um, either Madrid or something else, but it had changed.  Was this an orchestra that y'all had?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=4760.46,4768.45"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/653","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Uh, yes, this was a, was the smaller sex set that we had. Did, did, did Gaston play with y'all much?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=4768.71,4777.11"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/654","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, actually, actually, actually, this was Gaston's, uh, uh, job here, but it was basically my group that","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=4777.49,4785.99"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/655","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"was working there. I see.  And I don't, I forget what the lady's name is. She was one of Gaston's","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=4785.99,4793.79"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/656","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"singers or? Yeah, uh, yes. I think she had something to do with the club also.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=4793.79,4799.45"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/657","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"What about this one now? This, this is one also has a lady singer in it. Okay, uh, this was, uh, one of the","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=4801.79,4809.57"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/658","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Night of Columbus, uh, halls, where I, I don't remember, but I, I do remember it was on the night, uh,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=4809.57,4816.01"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/659","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Night of Columbus. Who was she? Uh, Ana Maria, very fine vocalist, very fine lady, and at that time I was","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=4816.01,4825.21"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/660","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"playing bass, you know, I started playing, uh, back in the, in the early 40s, uh, not the 40s, early 50s,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=4825.21,4835.33"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/661","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"late 40s, I started playing, uh, bass, guitar, drums, and, and piano, you know, so I,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=4835.95,4843.73"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/662","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"this is one job where I got, and I was playing bass.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=4844.71,4847.61"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/663","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So you were on bass? Yes, it was one of, one of those one-nighter type of jobs, you know, and I was,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=4850.87,4857.01"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/664","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"this is one of those things where you just pick a guy here and say, well, I've got a job, let's,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=4857.73,4862.95"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/665","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"let's go do it, and that's it, you know, and, uh. Which was your, which was, is it, is it,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=4862.95,4870.45"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/666","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"is it more to your liking to have a group, or is it better, or did you like better just picking a","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=4870.49,4876.67"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/667","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"group of guys and going and playing? No, it was always better for me to have an organized group","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=4876.67,4881.95"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/668","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and to have something that's already pretty well, uh, pad, you know, and, uh, and not to, uh, have to","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=4881.95,4890.93"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/669","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"worry about the headaches of what the other guy is going to do and not knowing the guy that well,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=4890.93,4896.73"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/670","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"as far as also personality and what have you, you know, so sometimes that creates hassles, you know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=4896.99,4902.93"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/671","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"What do you mean? Are there personality problems? Oh, yeah, well, you know, it's like everything else,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=4903.31,4908.57"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/672","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"yeah, you have some guys that are more temperamental and, and guys that maybe, uh,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=4908.67,4915.03"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/673","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"taking booze or drugs or what have you, and then they're, you know, they're quick-tempered,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=4916.91,4922.25"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/674","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and then, you know, just different things, it could be anything, or could be guys that maybe","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=4922.69,4927.79"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/675","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"their lips gave out after 30 minutes or playing, you know, and this sort of thing, so","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=4927.79,4933.57"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/676","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"when you have an organized group, you know what everybody does, and then, and, and, and you inhale","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=4934.51,4939.75"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/677","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and you exhale at the same time, you know, and, and, and that sort of thing.  You think you get a","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=4939.75,4945.15"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/678","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"better sound, isn't it? 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Now, here lately, this last year or so,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=4960.97,4969.59"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/682","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I, I've been jobbing around with different musicians, you know, just, uh,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=4969.89,4974.67"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/683","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"just to see what it feels to, to freelance with different musicians.  The money's been real good,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=4979.64,4985.32"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/684","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"really, yeah, the money's been real good, exceptionally good, and I've gotten a lot of jobs,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=4985.72,4991.42"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/685","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"you know, but most of the time, I end up, uh, directing the group and, you know,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=4991.42,4999.5"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/686","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"being kind of like a leader type of thing, you know, so.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=5000.16,5003.12"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/687","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"What, how much influence did your father have on you? 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Now, we talked about your father's influence on you, he had a, obviously had a very","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=5303.28,5309.72"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/729","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"profound effect, what about musical influence on him? You said that his family enjoyed music,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=5309.72,5316.3"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/730","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"did he ever mention what other things might have influenced him musically?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=5316.3,5320.54"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/731","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, the only thing I can remember, and not, not really musically inclined,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=5321.1,5326.44"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/732","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and this came from him, you know, I do remember he said that his father whistled, and could whistle","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=5328.0,5336.0"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/733","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"real good, and also played maybe very, very little guitar, but you know, not, not enough to","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=5336.0,5346.04"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/734","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"become a musician, you know, so if it would come from him, I know what he was telling me, he was","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=5346.04,5351.44"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/735","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"saying, hey, you know, my dad wasn't very hot on the musical, you know, okay, and, but other than that,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=5351.44,5362.04"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/736","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"like I said, nobody in his family really played. Let's go over his instruments again, he started","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=5362.04,5370.74"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/737","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"out playing the what? 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What groups were alive here when you were, when y'all came in,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=5475.58,5481.26"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/751","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"that you remember? 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When y'all got here already. Right, yeah, they were here,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=5510.83,5517.11"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/754","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"there were quite a few, the, the 40s era was real good here, from what I understand,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=5518.77,5523.99"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/755","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"from the musicians that I used to talk with. 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Actually, we were doing what, what they're doing","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=5538.71,5545.29"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/758","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"now is what we were doing then. 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Did y'all have them? Richmond,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=5618.71,5622.41"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/768","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rosenberg. Did y'all? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, we had them. Did your father ever play with them? Oh,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=5622.59,5628.55"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/769","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"yeah, my dad was, yeah, even one of the primary groups there in, in, in Victoria.  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As a matter of fact,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=5998.09,6003.27"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/818","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I, I played very, very few jobs.  I got calls but I played very few jobs because I just didn't,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=6004.61,6013.61"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/819","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I, I got so down on the music thing because of all these things, you know, happening.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=6014.33,6020.83"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/820","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But, when did your father die? What year? He died, let's see, my brother passed away when?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=6021.95,6029.17"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/821","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"February the 5th, 84. He died in April the, 85, April 85.  And your brother died in?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=6031.53,6043.53"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/822","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And let's see, Manny passed away February the 5th, 1984.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=6044.27,6049.35"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/823","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Were you the only two children, you, you three children? No, it's, it's myself,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=6050.97,6057.25"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/824","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Manny, and Rosie, and my brother John. Did he play, did he? Yes, John also played a little,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=6060.49,6069.65"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/825","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"but he played very little.  He, he, he didn't want to get into the music thing at all.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=6069.75,6074.45"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/826","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"He played the tenor for a while. What about, do you have children?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=6075.29,6079.21"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/827","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yes, I've got eight children.  I've got five boys and three girls. Are any musicians?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=6080.25,6085.05"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/828","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, they all studied music, and they could all play music, but none of them followed the,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=6086.35,6092.59"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/829","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"the tradition. Why do you suppose? Why, why not? Did they ever explain to you why they didn't?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=6093.41,6099.67"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/830","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, I, I'm gonna be frank with you, it, it, my life was so rough, you know, in the, in the music","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=6099.69,6105.15"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/831","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"business.  It, it was rough, you know, because of the hard times and good times, I mean hard times","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=6105.15,6110.35"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/832","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"that we had, plus a lot of the vice, and things that, you know, and they,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=6110.35,6118.45"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/833","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I think they considered it for a while, but I really didn't, you know, try to, try to really","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=6121.39,6129.27"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/834","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"push them into the music business, you know. I just kind of stayed in the background, so to speak,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=6129.27,6134.35"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/835","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"you know, and say, if you want to become a musician, become a musician. If you don't want","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=6134.45,6138.57"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/836","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"to become a musician, that's fine, you know.  You, you need to do what you want to do in life,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=6138.57,6143.45"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/837","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"you know, and I think a lot of them, probably by now, are saying, hey, I should have become a","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=6143.65,6149.27"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/838","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"musician, yeah. All of them had exceptional ears. All of them could play, you know, on the piano,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=6149.27,6156.85"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/839","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and the bass, and the drums, and the saxophone, and play, all of them.  I'm not, I'm even talking","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=6157.01,6162.95"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/840","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"about the girls, the girls too, and good singers, they could sing real good, and they could sing in","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=6162.95,6171.21"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/841","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"harmony, which is very hard to do unless you have had some kind of musical background, you know,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=6171.21,6175.53"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/842","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and you know, they did all those things. But my grandchildren, I got two or three,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=6177.99,6186.93"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/843","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"those sound guns are going to be exceptional musicians. I can see it.  I can see it, I can sense","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=6186.93,6193.35"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/844","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"it. Great ability. 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What do you mean,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=6228.69,6231.95"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/849","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"the same things on the bandstand? 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There were times when I wasn't playing with my dad,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=6321.61,6329.25"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/863","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and then somebody would call me up and say, hey, I need a bass player, ma'am. 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It was the Martinez,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=6376.69,6384.07"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/871","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Alfred Martinez, and the Larry Martinez family type of thing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=6385.85,6391.37"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/872","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Shoot, they were paying $16 a night, and you know, that was great, man, you know, for me, you know,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=6395.65,6401.15"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/873","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"$16 a night, that was a lot of money, and this was in the 50s.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=6401.15,6405.63"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/874","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Did you give your money to your parents? 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I used to keep maybe two, three dollars in my pocket.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=6408.31,6413.41"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/876","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yeah, always.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993#t=6415.27,6415.91"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238993/transcript/65968/annotation/877","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Was that just sort of 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We're going to go by the number as we have them","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=11.8,18.04"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"identified on the Xerox sheets. Okay, let's start off with photograph number one.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=18.04,23.68"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It looks like a picture of a man at a mic.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=25.0,27.64"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yes, this man we're talking about is Mr. Refugio Zapata, R-E-F-U-G-I-O-Z-A-P-A,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=29.14,37.0"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Refugio D. Zapata. He always wanted that D in there.  What was it for? The D is for Diaz,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=37.4,45.3"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"D-A-I-Z, Refugio Diaz Zapata, and then he used that as a middle name for","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=45.76,53.2"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"had something to do with my grandma. I don't know what exactly, but I think that was her","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=55.42,60.9"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"middle name also, so he used that all the time. What was he doing in this picture?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=60.9,65.26"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"What are the circumstances around this picture being taken? This picture, he is a radio announcer","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=65.78,71.6"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"in Bay City, Texas, K-I-O-X in Bay City, Texas, and this is in the middle 40s.  That's not in","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=71.6,80.44"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Victoria, huh? No, this is not in Victoria.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=81.0,83.46"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We don't have any pictures of him in Victoria, but he was in Victoria prior to this picture.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=86.44,94.26"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And this was taken in the mid-40s? In the mid-40s, yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=94.46,97.78"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Okay, now we talked about that on the other tape, but I just wanted to get the exact, okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=99.36,108.08"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Let's go to the second picture, number two.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=108.76,112.7"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"All right, now that is a picture,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=123.96,126.42"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"photograph of, this picture is a picture of my dad, Mr. Zapata, and he is pictured here with my Aunt Mary,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=129.58,139.84"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"my Aunt Mary","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=141.98,143.6"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Morales.  So that was his sister then? No, it was his sister-in-law. His sister-in-law.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=147.58,154.94"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Where is this taken? 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They're pictured in the car and what have you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=176.52,181.48"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Okay, all right, let's identify those people as by our number, one, two, three, four, five, six. 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No, he was one of these musicians","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=224.58,232.1"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"that liked to travel a lot and just hear one day and then go on the other day type of thing,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=232.1,237.0"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"you know.  He was here for a few weeks and then he left. Number two? Okay, number two, he's not a,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=237.1,244.7"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"he's not a musician, that's just a customer. Okay.  The guy number three standing up is","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=244.76,252.24"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"the owner of the place and I don't know what his real name is, but they used to call him Cuco.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=253.2,259.019"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Cuco Chapa, he was the owner of the place. Okay, and number four is","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=259.019,268.46"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Manuel Varela.  Now, he's a trumpet man, but he also doubled on saxophone.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=269.1,275.42"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Okay, and number five, of course, is me, Kido Zapata. On keyboard? On keyboard, yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=276.56,284.04"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"What type of piano was that, do you remember? That was an old upright piano.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=284.52,289.0"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It's one of these pianos that had that little mirror thing on top, you know, and","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=290.48,294.6"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I can tell you one thing, it was a very bad piano, you know, the action on it was real bad.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=296.1,301.8"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Had a lot of busted notes and people poured soda waters in there, you know, they dropped soda","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=302.18,308.8"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"waters in there and that kind of stuff.  Was that common when you played at a place? 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Sometimes I'd end up playing guitar","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=380.3,389.2"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/54","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"instead, you know, because it was so bad.  We couldn't use it. So we always carried the guitar","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=389.2,393.98"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/55","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and I'd play guitar also. Very, in other words you had to improvise.  Oh yeah, you had to improvise","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=393.98,399.94"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/56","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"quite a bit, yeah. What, okay, number six is the saxophonist. Number six is a saxophone player.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=399.94,406.44"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/57","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"He's playing the alto there. 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I mean they used to have all kinds of fights in there, knifings and what","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=435.68,442.44"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/62","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"have you, you know, beer bottles thrown at you and what have you. Was there a dance floor? Yeah,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=442.44,450.58"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/63","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"they had a very small dance floor there.  You know it was kind of like a pickup place,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=450.58,458.2"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/64","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"these places where you pick up women and or men, you know, this kind of thing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=458.52,463.58"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/65","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"What music might y'all have been playing? Well at that time we did a little bit of everything. You","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=464.86,471.02"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/66","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"know we were doing these standards.  I remember when Al was with the band we were doing things","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=471.02,476.86"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/67","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"like, you know, the Stardust, the standards of the 40s, you know, that sort of thing. 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Do you remember who might have taken that photograph?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=490.3,495.08"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/70","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I don't know.  I think it was Kuko's, the owner's wife, that was taking","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=497.8,504.1"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/71","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"the picture because they used to,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=505.3,507.14"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/72","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"they used to love my dad and myself. We were very close, we were good","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=509.2,514.159"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/73","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"friends, you know, and I think she was the one that took the picture if I'm not mistaken.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=515.039,519.0"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/74","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Was it an advertisement picture at all? 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This was taken at the American Legion in","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=532.7,539.02"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/77","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"in Magnolia, not Magnolia City, but in the part of Houston they call Magnolia,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=540.56,546.46"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/78","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and this is on Sherman and 76, and this was taken in the 50s.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=547.36,556.24"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/79","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Is this after this number three? That is after that, yeah, that's a few years after that,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=559.2,564.92"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/80","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"you know, I would say even the middle 50s, you know, and this picture was","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=565.0,570.06"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/81","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"was taken, we were playing, usually it was like a wedding when they had special occasions,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=572.38,580.22"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/82","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"their weddings, parties, and 15 years old, what have you.  I notice there are more people in this","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=580.22,587.44"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/83","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"picture. Is that, had the band gotten bigger by that? The band had enlarged, yes, and we had","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=587.44,594.22"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/84","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"added on more musicians, and also we had, like I said, we had added on more musicians. We had","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=595.44,606.6"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/85","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"added a guitar player, which is my brother, Manny, in that picture.  Let's start from left","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=606.6,613.6"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/86","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"to right and go. Okay, number one, which is a trumpet player, his name is Raul Roy Martinez,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=613.6,623.48"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/87","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"he is the constable, not Raul, I'm sorry, his name is Paul Martinez,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=624.38,635.4"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/88","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and he is the constable's brother, Raul Martinez, okay, and he's a trumpet man,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=635.95,644.34"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/89","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and he was one of my dad's closest friends, also from around Goliad and Victoria and all of that,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=645.5,654.44"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/90","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"so they knew each other well, you know. Number two would be... Okay, number two is a drummer,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=654.5,660.6"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/91","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and his name is Ernest Salinas, and he also stayed with the band for quite a bit, you know,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=660.6,669.02"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/92","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"he was also a friend of my dad, they had known each other for years and years, of course,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=669.1,675.6"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/93","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"he's a young boy compared to my dad.  Where was he from, do you know anything? Ernest Salinas,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=675.68,681.48"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/94","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"no, I don't remember where he was from, but I think he was originally from Houston,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=681.8,686.58"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/95","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"so don't quote me on that. Was he doing anything besides music at the time,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=686.58,690.78"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/96","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"do you know anything about him? No, actually we were all full-time musicians at the time,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=690.86,696.12"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/97","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and the third person we see there, number three, is a saxophone player, his name is Jimmy Castillo.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=696.24,705.52"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/98","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jimmy Castillo, he also was a longtime friend of my dad, and he stayed also with the band for a","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=708.54,716.16"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/99","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"long time.  And number four, of course, is my brother Manuel, Manny Zapata, and this picture","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=716.16,727.6"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/100","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"was taken prior to the time that he went into the service. 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And of course on the piano here again we got one of those real","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=745.92,752.94"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/103","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"bad upright pianos, number six, that's number six, that's me.  That was the house piano. 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Most of the time the American Legion had their pianos pretty well tuned,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=778.14,784.38"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/107","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"but the action on it was very sluggish, you know, very slow, very bad. And as you can see there,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=784.7,791.76"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/108","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"we've got one of those little amplifiers there that we plugged in one microphone, one guitar,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=791.82,797.72"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/109","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and we all did everything out of that one little amplifier sitting there to the right there, Mr.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=797.72,804.44"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/110","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Zapata. Was that amplifier y'all brought along with you? Yeah, that's the one we had,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=804.54,809.44"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/111","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"that was our mic, that was the only thing we had at the time, you know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=809.54,812.54"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/112","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Okay, photograph number five appears to be y'all's band in action also.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=817.88,822.82"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/113","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yes, this was also taken in the 50s, and","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=823.46,827.26"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/114","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"this picture was taken at home, it was a publicity picture that we were doing, you know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=829.66,834.26"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/115","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"If I'm not mistaken, I think, what's the photographer's name? Valerio? Valerio, yes,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=837.26,845.58"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/116","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"from Second Ward.  He's the one that took this picture.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=846.16,848.64"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/117","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And we'll start with number one. Number one there is the trumpet player, his name is","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=850.76,855.62"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/118","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Paul Martinez.  And","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=856.46,859.86"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/119","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"number two is the saxophone player Tony Rodriguez. Tony Rodriguez is from Palacios, Texas,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=863.3,871.42"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/120","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and a longtime friend of the family's. He also played trumpet, he doubled on trumpet and saxophone.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=872.82,881.18"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/121","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Number three, of course, is me, Kido Zapata, on the piano, and here again we took another picture","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=883.18,890.82"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/122","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"of my brother, with my brother, on the guitar, Manuel Manny Zapata, and on the saxophone,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=890.82,899.93"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/123","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"on the second saxophone, or lead saxophone, I should say, he was playing lead,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=900.46,907.67"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/124","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"is number five is Mr. Zapata, Refugio Zapata.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=908.65,912.41"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/125","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Number six, that young little girl that you're seeing there is Rosie Zapata, that's my sister,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=914.97,921.29"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/126","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and she was about five, about five years old at the time, and she was already, she had begun to","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=922.05,930.45"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/127","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"sing with a band. You said she was kind of singing as a novelty? Yeah, she was singing as a novelty.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=930.45,935.85"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/128","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"She did a few jobs, you know, she did a few jobs with it. A very, very good vocalist.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=936.07,941.57"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/129","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"She wouldn't have been on the band if she wasn't able to sing, believe you me.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=943.81,947.15"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/130","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And number seven is the drummer Romaldo Rangel, who is a very successful businessman now,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=948.69,957.75"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/131","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"but he worked with a band for many, many years. We stayed together even after the band,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=958.59,965.47"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/132","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"one band broke up, another band would be organized and what have you, but he stayed","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=965.67,970.69"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/133","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"with the band for the longest. And number eight is Johnny Del Valle, Juan Del Valle,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=970.69,979.69"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/134","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and he is playing saxophone, he's playing the third saxophone there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=981.41,987.31"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/135","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Did he play any other instruments? 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He did work, did the, now the","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=1084.96,1091.34"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/148","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"first man was who again, that was Johnny Del Valle? Johnny Del Valle. 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Smiley Elizondo is the guy on the trumpet, number three.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=1120.02,1128.52"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/152","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And number four is a very, very fine vocalist, a young lady that we maybe played two or three jobs","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=1128.52,1138.48"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/153","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"since, you know, since I've known her. Her name is Ana Maria.  I can't recall her last name.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=1141.2,1148.84"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/154","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Very, very fine vocalist.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=1150.04,1152.32"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/155","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"One of these self-taught and schooled vocalists.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=1154.56,1158.92"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/156","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And number five of course is me, Kido Zapata, on the playing, I'm playing bass this particular job.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=1162.1,1168.18"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/157","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And number six is the piano player, the leader, the guy that got the band together.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=1169.14,1175.56"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/158","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And his name is Raymond Garcia, a guy that has been a musician for very many, many years,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=1176.56,1185.1"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/159","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and also a piano tuner, a guy that was blind.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=1185.66,1192.06"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/160","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And we worked quite a few jobs together. Was he from around here, did you know anything?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=1194.04,1198.58"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/161","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yes, he's originally from Houston. I see.  Yes, he's originally from Houston.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=1198.58,1205.1"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/162","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"About what year was that photograph taken? This was the late 50s, you know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=1206.02,1212.06"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/163","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"You say it's a KC Hall, which one, where? I think this is the one on Whitney,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=1213.7,1220.6"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/164","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"right behind the old airline theater.  Okay. Yeah, I think this is the one that","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=1221.8,1226.42"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/165","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Now this next photograph that we have designated as number seven, where was that taken and what?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=1228.76,1235.7"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/166","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"This was taken at Valerio Studio, here again in the second ward, and he seemed to be a musician's","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=1235.8,1242.2"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/167","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"photographer, and only guy that gave us good breaks. What do you mean by that, with money?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=1242.2,1249.58"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/168","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"With the money, yeah.  Yeah, he gave us, you know, one of these days where he gave you a lot of","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=1249.64,1254.82"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/169","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"or more pictures than the other photographers around town would, you know. And this was a promo","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=1254.82,1260.28"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/170","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"thing, a promo picture that was taken at the studio, like I said. 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I see.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=1300.66,1309.76"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/175","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Very fine. Yes, his brother is Armando Rodriguez, the judge. And very fine friend, fine musician.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=1310.32,1318.98"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/176","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And of course, number two, that's me, Kido, and I'm the piano player, of course. 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He also was a vocalist.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=1335.48,1342.94"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/179","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Played a very pretty guitar, very, very nice guitar. Number four is Romaldo Rangel,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=1343.92,1352.84"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/180","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and he stayed with the group.  Every time we changed groups he was still, he was with us all","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=1354.62,1359.44"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/181","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"the time. What did he play? He was a drummer. He's a drummer and as a matter of fact he's still","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=1359.44,1365.8"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/182","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"playing, but he's a very successful businessman.  He's into upholstering, which is now called","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=1365.8,1376.92"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/183","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Chico's Upholstering I believe it's called. And the bass player of course is my dad,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=1376.92,1382.38"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/184","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rafael Zapata. And about this time I had taken over the band.  He was playing bass","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=1383.08,1393.04"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/185","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"at the time, but he also played different instruments. My dad did for the group,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=1393.54,1398.12"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/186","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"was switching around. About what year was this photograph? 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We call it the Zapata group, you know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=1409.1,1414.9"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/189","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"No, no, I'm sorry.  This was the beginning of the","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=1416.76,1420.09"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/190","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sounds Quartet. Well, it was a quintet, but then we changed it to a quartet because the guy in the","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=1422.44,1429.14"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/191","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"band, the guy in the middle, he left the band and we kept the quartet. But it was the Sounds Quintet","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=1429.14,1435.58"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/192","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and then the Sounds Quartet.  Let's start off with picture number eight. Let's make sure it's the","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=1435.58,1447.34"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/193","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"same one. No, I think it's a little bit different.  Picture number, this has got to be it. That's it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=1447.34,1453.7"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/194","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Okay, number eight.  Where was that? Where were these? 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Right, same place and same time, same day type of thing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=1459.9,1467.08"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/196","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It was at the radio station and I can't think of the initials on the radio station,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=1467.72,1477.1"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/197","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and this was in Baytown, Texas, okay.  And this was the 60s, in the 60s.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=1477.1,1490.26"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/198","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And we had just performed a live program type of thing there. We did a thing that we used to do","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=1491.06,1497.54"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/199","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"like every Sunday, you know, during the day, do it for about 30 minutes, the band would,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=1497.54,1501.98"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/200","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"for publicity type of thing, you know, for us.  And we'll start off with the saxophone player.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=1505.36,1512.64"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/201","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Which one? That would be number one. The saxophone player, and his name is Fito,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=1513.3,1519.6"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/202","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"but I can't think of his last name.  F-I-T-O, Fito. Fito. Was he a local guy? No he was not,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=1520.32,1527.04"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/203","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"he was out of Mexico.  And a very, very good saxophone player, I can remember that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=1527.04,1534.0"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/204","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Now did y'all have very many musicians who'd come from Mexico?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=1534.52,1537.66"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/205","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yes, we had quite a few musicians that came in from Mexico. You would find that a lot of these","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=1540.02,1546.12"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/206","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"saxophone players are, and you know, different musicians that play different instruments,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=1546.82,1551.36"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/207","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"they were very good reading musicians.  Not that we didn't have them here, but these guys were,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=1553.5,1563.38"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/208","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"you know, they were just exceptional. Did you think they had gone to school to learn this","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=1563.68,1570.5"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/209","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"in Mexico? Yes, yes, oh yes, yes, most definitely. See most of the time the Mexican musician,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=1570.5,1578.72"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/210","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"the musician from Mexico, what is, they start to train him musically by giving him solfeggio,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=1578.72,1590.76"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/211","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and you know, I think there's three books, and once you complete these three books of solfeggio,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=1591.02,1598.82"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/212","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"you're a pretty well accomplished musician, believe you me, you know, because you have all","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=1600.08,1605.06"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/213","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"the air training, be able to read, sing, and sing your notes and what have you, and or play well, you know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=1605.06,1613.76"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/214","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And getting back to this picture... He was a saxophone player, what type of saxophone?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=1616.26,1621.28"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/215","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"He played the tenor. He was a tenor player. And number two in the picture, his name is","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=1621.36,1629.79"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/216","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Chayito.  We used to call him Chayito. Chayo is his real name. And I can't recall his last name.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=1635.68,1643.28"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/217","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"He was a guitar player and also the vocalist of the group. And he was from Houston originally.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=1645.1,1655.44"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/218","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Number three is a young lady by the name of Ramona Flores.  She was the vocalist of the group.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=1659.0,1667.96"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/219","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"A local person? Yes, she was a local. Of course her parents came from Mexico, that I do know,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=1668.28,1675.1"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/220","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"you know, because I know them well.  But she was born here in the States. Okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=1675.24,1679.72"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/221","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And number four is Fidel Olivares.  We used to call him La Changa, which means the monkey.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=1680.58,1691.26"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/222","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Why? Because he was a very funny type of guy, but an exceptional, exceptional musician.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=1691.98,1699.14"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/223","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"He played guitar and he played bass, and he, and of course my brother and I through the years,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=1699.68,1708.42"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/224","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"we got very close because we were taught and we learned a lot from him.  You know,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=1710.02,1720.28"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/225","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"there were a lot of things that we learned from him, apart from the things that we","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=1720.42,1726.56"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/226","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"have learned from my dad, you know. Where was he from? Fidel was from Corpus Christi, Texas.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=1726.56,1735.78"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/227","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"He and my dad met in the 20s, way back in the 20s.  And they traveled and they came to Houston","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=1738.48,1748.86"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/228","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"for a while. And then of course he, they separated, but he was a very, very long time friend of my","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=1748.86,1759.44"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/229","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"dad. My dad and he loved each other like brothers.  Did he play with any other big name orchestras?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=1759.44,1769.5"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/230","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Oh he played, yes, he played with all the bands around here, and like I said, all around the","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=1769.72,1775.62"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/231","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"state of Texas he traveled. He was in Corpus, he was in Gennaro, he was in San Antonio,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=1775.62,1782.54"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/232","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"he was in Victoria, he came to Houston and worked with, he worked with the Alonsos, with the Eloy Pérez,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=1783.02,1789.82"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/233","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and of course worked with our band also. Well he's there with the bass in this particular picture.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=1791.56,1797.88"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/234","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Right, he was, he's a bass player, right, and but he was a very funny guy, you know, and he would do a","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=1797.88,1804.38"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/235","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"lot of different things on the bandstand to make you laugh all the time. He was a very happy-go-lucky","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=1804.38,1809.02"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/236","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"guy, super fine musician, very fine musician. Were y'all playing there live on the, on the radio?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=1809.02,1815.58"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/237","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yes, we were doing a live program, we would do that every Sunday, you know.  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I may have asked you this before, but how long was the program?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=1833.72,1838.54"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/241","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It was about an hour. It was one hour long, you know.  Yeah, most of those programs were one hour","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=1839.14,1845.12"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/242","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"long and the band would play for anywhere from 30 minutes to an hour, you know, and they'd do","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=1845.12,1852.32"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/243","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"different spots, you know, for commercial reasons, and then we'd do a couple of tunes and that","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=1852.32,1858.86"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/244","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"sort of thing. Now number five is, I mean, pardon me, yeah, is it five? Number five is","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=1858.86,1866.66"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/245","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"is he's not a musician. He's a guy that traveled with a band, he just loved being around","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=1870.12,1875.94"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/246","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"the music business, and a very longtime friend of my dad's, he just hung around the band all the time","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=1875.94,1882.82"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/247","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and they helped us with, you know, whatever we needed, sometimes with the instruments, sometimes","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=1884.02,1890.1"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/248","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"to be able to talk to somebody, negotiate or something.  He was just there, he wasn't a promoter","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=1892.96,1898.12"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/249","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"or anything. He was just, you know, one of the guys, and his name is Manuel. I can't","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=1898.12,1905.7"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/250","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"recall his last name, but it's Manuel.  Okay, was he from Houston? He is from Houston, yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=1905.7,1911.86"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/251","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I wanted to ask you this, where were you in this picture? Where were you? I was the one","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=1912.1,1921.5"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/252","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"that was taking the pictures. You were taking the pictures? 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I think the only people that are","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=1957.22,1962.48"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/256","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"unidentified from the previous picture would be number seven and eight. Number seven, number","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=1962.48,1967.74"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/257","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"six and seven. Six and seven, pardon me.  And who are they? Six and seven. They are two gentlemen","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=1968.36,1973.5"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/258","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"sitting down. These guys are longtime friends of mine, you know, they're my buddies,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=1973.5,1978.36"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/259","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and they were always there to try to help me with the band.  Number six, I believe,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=1978.94,1986.8"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/260","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"okay, number six is Robert Voskis, who wanted to learn a little bit about the music","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=1988.1,1999.34"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/261","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"scene, and he helped us sort of like band boys, number six. Roadies. Yes, roadies, yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=1999.34,2006.78"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/262","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Robert Voskis turned out to be a very fine basketball player, very fine basketball player,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=2007.36,2015.14"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/263","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and he's got trophies and what have you, you know, and he's a longtime friend also from","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=2015.14,2022.16"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/264","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"school. 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Okay, number ten, we'll start with number one there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=2063.62,2069.12"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/270","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Number one is Manuel, and he was the guy that hung around the band all the time, he was with us","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=2069.739,2076.54"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/271","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and helped us and put the little things we needed, you know. And number two is Fito,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=2076.54,2084.44"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/272","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and he's a saxophone player. Now number three is a gentleman that my dad and he worked very,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=2084.6,2095.04"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/273","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"very many years prior to this picture, back in the 30s and 40s.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=2095.04,2102.16"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/274","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"This gentleman's name is Manuel Olivares, Manuel Olivares. 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What was he doing","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=2120.4,2126.02"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/277","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"there in that picture? He was, he is part of the band at this time, okay. He is part of the band,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=2126.02,2133.58"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/278","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and well this series of pictures here is going to show different musicians and people, but they're","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=2134.42,2139.94"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/279","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"all in the band, you know, the musicians are in it. They are all taken at the same, all the same day,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=2139.94,2146.72"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/280","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I was wondering why you didn't have them all in this picture.  In this picture? 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What was, what instrument did he play? He is the accordion player, and did also some","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=2163.16,2169.22"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/284","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"vocalists. He and my dad were very, very good close friends for many years.  When y'all were","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=2169.22,2175.62"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/285","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"taking these, when y'all were out there doing this live performance, how many did y'all have in the","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=2175.62,2180.38"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/286","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"band performing? How many? In this particular time? Yeah. Oh shucks. A guesstimate? 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He was a guitar player also.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=2226.86,2237.58"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/293","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And the guy sitting next to him is Fidel Olivares La Changa. And he was a bass player.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=2238.18,2246.92"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/294","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Very fine musician. Even looking at his picture, it makes me want to just, man, just roll on the floor.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=2247.38,2253.72"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/295","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Now this name down here, Olivares? Olivares, that's his case.  That's his accordion case.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=2253.72,2260.38"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/296","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Number three. Right, number three is the accordion case.  Yes. 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Okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=2275.64,2280.88"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/299","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"All right, number eleven. Okay.  Which is similar to number...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=2280.88,2290.44"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/300","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"All right, number eleven. Can you name those people there? Yes, number eleven.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=2290.8,2298.24"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/301","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"This number one there is my friend, of course, Milton Saravia.  And Fito is number two.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=2299.14,2308.8"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/302","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Number three is Robert Vasquez. Number four is my dad, the leader of the band, Mr. Refugio Zapata.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=2308.8,2319.54"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/303","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Where is that? Where is your dad? Right in the middle. Oh, right in the middle. Right in the middle there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=2319.62,2325.72"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/304","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yeah, right above the lady. Okay. And of course, he was the leader of the band at this particular time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=2325.82,2334.79"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/305","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And number five is Ramona Flores, the vocalist of the band. Number six is Chayito,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=2336.97,2348.03"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/306","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"the male vocalist of the band. And number seven is Manuel.  Number eight is Fidel Olivares, La Changa.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=2348.85,2358.13"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/307","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Okay. Same.  Okay, picture number twelve. Number twelve. Right.  Which is the last in this series.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=2358.13,2367.47"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/308","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The last in this series, right. And number one, walking out of the door there, the picture there is Fito.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=2367.79,2374.69"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/309","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Number two is Ramona Flores. She's the vocalist.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=2376.91,2387.05"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/310","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And number three","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=2387.81,2389.03"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/311","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"is Milton.  Looks like Milton. Milton Saravia. 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Two female vocalists, and of course the rest of the guys","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=2411.59,2417.97"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/314","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"sang in the band. MR. Did you ever sing?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=2417.97,2421.29"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/315","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"RL.  Yes, I did some singing. I just didn't proceed. You know the only time I sing is when","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=2421.91,2427.67"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/316","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I want people to have a good life.  MR. For a comic relief.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=2428.13,2432.13"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/317","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"RL.  Yeah, for a comic relief. Kind of La Changa type of thing. 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Number six is Manuel Olivares, and he's","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=2452.01,2466.63"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/320","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"accordion player.  And I think, I forgot number three. Number three is Fidel Olivares, La Changa.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=2466.63,2473.61"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/321","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And that's the last of this series.  MR. Photograph, what number is that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=2475.47,2482.07"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/322","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"RL. Number 13.  MR. Number 13.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=2482.07,2483.85"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/323","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Where is that picture taken? RL.  This picture was taken at the","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=2484.17,2488.31"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/324","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Acapulco. It was one time called the Acapulco Nightclub, which was very famous in the 40s,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=2490.19,2495.81"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/325","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"50s, and 60s. And then it changed over to Madrid later on.  And I don't remember what","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=2495.81,2503.91"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/326","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"the name of the club was at this particular time, but it had changed names. We, at this time, we","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=2503.91,2512.91"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/327","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"had the gentleman that had hired us to play this one particular job. 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He","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=2526.89,2536.43"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/330","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"of course went on to other bigger things, and he's also a very successful businessman.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=2538.31,2548.29"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/331","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And went on to get his own recording companies, and record companies, and shopping centers,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=2550.33,2558.13"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/332","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and what have you, you know. So he's very successful. And number two in the picture","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=2558.23,2563.05"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/333","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"is Carlos Pulido.  And he is playing congas, also did the vocals. We all did vocals in this","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=2564.19,2574.97"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/334","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"picture. All of us were doing group vocals.  Okay, and we all did vocals in this picture.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=2574.97,2585.61"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/335","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We did group vocals. And number three is Joe Alonso, the timbal player.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=2586.17,2595.99"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/336","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And his dad and his parents were the ones that had this El Tropical nightclub that were very,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=2596.95,2605.39"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/337","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"very successful, and one of the legendary places in Houston, the Latin place.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=2605.57,2612.77"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/338","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MR. Joe Alonso.  Who were his parents?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=2612.79,2615.15"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/339","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"RL. I can't think of their names right now.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=2619.07,2628.03"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/340","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MR.  No, no, no. Their spelling is different.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=2628.85,2632.29"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/341","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"RL.  Oh, I see.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=2632.43,2632.89"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/342","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MR. How do you spell his name?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=2633.31,2634.39"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/343","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"RL.  I think it's-","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=2634.63,2636.23"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/344","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MR. Okay. And that's Joe Alonso, and they had the El Tropical nightclub on Prairie, and","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=2636.23,2643.11"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/345","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Milan, Louisiana, one of those streets there.  Very successful Latin club. When I came to Houston,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=2645.65,2650.87"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/346","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"that was the it place at the time. 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And","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=2676.65,2687.73"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/349","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"who by the way, Ray Martinez just passed away here two months ago.  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In the 60s.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=2753.45,2756.03"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/358","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Now 14 and 15 look about like the same musicians in the same place.  Is that true?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=2759.27,2765.15"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/359","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"RR. Right. MR.  Okay. RR. Right.  The same place, the same time. But they just changed uniforms or","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=2768.05,2775.33"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/360","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"whatever, costumes. MR.  Where was it?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=2775.81,2779.83"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/361","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"RR. This was taken at the Club Latino. This was taken in the 60s.  Club Latino was","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=2780.51,2790.83"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/362","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"the Spanish Village. Spanish Village is a Mexican restaurant that is still there, by the way. And","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=2795.25,2803.69"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/363","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"this was on Almeda, somewhere off of Almeda.  I want you to straight that across. 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The club was","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=2819.41,2825.79"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/366","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"upstairs. MR. Oh, I see.  This was upstairs from the restaurant. RR. This was upstairs from the","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=2825.79,2829.37"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/367","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"restaurant.  And the same guy owned it. He's the one that hired this band. 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His name is Ernest Salinas.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=2861.25,2869.69"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/371","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And number three is the bass player, that's my dad, Mr. Refugio Zapata.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=2871.81,2877.97"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/372","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And number four, I can't recall his name,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=2880.07,2885.53"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/373","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"can't recall his name, number five.  MR. You know what he played? RR. Yes, number four was the saxophone","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=2887.65,2894.07"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/374","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"player.  And number five, and he also played the guiro. Number five is the other saxophone","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=2894.07,2905.79"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/375","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"player, who is Aparicio, Luis Aparicio. Very fine musician.  MR. Where was he from?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=2905.79,2921.34"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/376","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"RR. He was from Mexico.  Number one, Luis Munoz, Sr., and number four, number five,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=2921.34,2935.88"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/377","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"that's number six, they're from Mexico. MR. I see.  And number six was who? RR. 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When they had, what are the difference, on page, photograph","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=2950.72,2956.98"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/380","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"14 as opposed to photograph 15, what was the difference in the type of music they played?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=2957.62,2963.84"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/381","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Did those costumes have any difference? RR.  Well, the costumes are more of a tropical","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=2964.08,2971.32"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/382","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"look, you know, that's what they use in the tropical. Number 15, picture number 15, for","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=2971.92,2978.82"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/383","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"instance, is more Veracruzano, from Veracruz type of thing, you know, which is very tropical,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=2978.82,2985.2"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/384","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"you know, and also Panamanian, okay, from Panama type of thing, right, with a little straw hat,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=2985.8,2992.72"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/385","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and the white guayaberas, you know, that is used as a tropical atmosphere. But this,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=2992.72,3000.8"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/386","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"the ones with the guayaberas, the one with the great big cuffs on it, the ruffles on it,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=3001.5,3007.34"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/387","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and the bow tie, that is more of a Cuban, Puerto Rican type of look, you know, and that is also","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=3008.4,3016.92"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/388","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"very tropical.  MR. Was that the type of music they were playing? RR. That's the type of music","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=3016.92,3022.32"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/389","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"that they were doing, yes.  Club Latino, yes, it was a dance for dance. It was, by the way,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=3022.32,3029.38"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/390","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"it was a private club at the time. MR.  I see. Catering to Hispanics or to Anglos?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=3029.42,3036.12"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/391","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"RR. At that particular time it was both.  MR. It was both. What year, this was in the 1960s?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=3036.12,3042.36"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/392","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"RR.  In the 60s, yes. MR.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=3042.36,3045.84"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/393","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Those pictures were the late 60s? RR.  The late 60s, yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=3046.34,3049.6"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/394","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MR. Now, photographs number 16 and 17, would you characterize them?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=3049.9,3055.22"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/395","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"RR.  Okay, 16 is the same group, you know, it's the same club, of course,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=3058.6,3066.78"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/396","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"different uniforms at times, you know. On the piano, of course, is the leader, number one,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=3066.78,3073.38"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/397","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"is Luis Munoz, and number two on the bass is Mr. Refugio Zapata. Number three on the saxophone,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=3073.98,3085.22"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/398","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I can't recall his name.  MR. That's the one you don't remember.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=3087.24,3090.72"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/399","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"RR.  I can't recall his name at all. And number five, of course, is Luis Aparicio. He is the saxophone","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=3090.72,3099.84"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/400","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"player also.  And number four, I forgot number four there, number four is Ernest Salinas on drums,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=3099.84,3108.22"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/401","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and of course, number five again is Luis Aparicio. And then number six is the trumpet player. I don't","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=3109.5,3119.36"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/402","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"recall his name.  Okay, picture number 17 is the same club, you know, about the same time at the","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=3119.36,3128.74"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/403","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Club Latino. MR. I noticed there in that group, they're in almost tuxedos.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=3130.84,3136.6"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/404","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"RR. 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Santana, he did some things with Santana","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=3257.58,3262.72"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/421","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"also. MR. Okay, now these three pictures, which would be 18, 19, and 20, are of the same group","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=3262.72,3269.86"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/422","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"essentially, aren't they? RR.  Right. MR. Okay, what are these pictures, what were they taken for?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=3269.86,3275.42"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/423","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"RR.  These pictures were taken for promotional purposes, and this picture, believe it or not,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=3275.6,3280.16"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/424","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"was taken at the- MR. Westbury Square? RR. Westbury Square.  You recognize the square,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=3280.16,3289.64"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/425","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"did you recognize it? Right, Westbury Square. And they were taken for promotional, publicity type","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=3289.82,3295.08"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/426","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"of thing. MR.  What year would you say? RR. This was in the 70s. MR.  Early, mid, late? RR. 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If we made any money in the door, which we did you know, because we filled","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=3408.1,3414.52"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/441","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"the place up. Every place we worked with this band filled it up, and it was strictly on Sundays that","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=3414.52,3420.42"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/442","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"we were doing. Sunday afternoon things.  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Very fine, fine musician.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=3442.42,3451.32"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/446","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Victor Lopez is number two, and he was a timbal player and conga player, they switched it around.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=3453.56,3460.52"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/447","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And he's from Puerto Rico.  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Enrique Martinez is from","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=3577.36,3582.7"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/461","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Mexico, but you can say he's a native Houstonian, he's been here for some time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=3584.66,3590.72"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/462","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And of course, number nine is the famous Alonso Alonso, is related to Mr. Frank and Ventura","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=3591.76,3601.06"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/463","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Alonso, it's their son, as a matter of fact. What do y'all call him? We call him Double A,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=3601.06,3606.52"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/464","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"is one of the most finest, finest musician drummers you could meet anywhere.  And of course,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=3607.62,3613.92"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/465","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"me standing with the electric synthesizer, and that's me, Kido Zapata. And we were playing,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=3613.92,3621.04"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/466","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"at this time, we were doing the Sunday sessions at the Rio Posada.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=3622.12,3629.16"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/467","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It's still the same.  That's the same one, number 19, I think it's the same group. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=3632.16,3636.94"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/468","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Uh-huh.  Yeah. Let's go to this next one. The same, and everybody's lined up with the same","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=3637.34,3641.98"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/469","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"way.  Let's do number 20 then.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=3641.98,3644.48"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/470","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Okay, picture number 20, number 20 was, let me see, here we are, picture number 20,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=3651.56,3659.54"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/471","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and of course, this is still the same group, the Latin Ensemble. And we're doing,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=3660.02,3667.18"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/472","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"like I said, a series of pictures for promotional publicity, posters and what have you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=3667.98,3674.08"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/473","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And of course, we have number one there, who is Mr. Alonso, Alonso, Double A,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=3674.66,3681.44"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/474","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"myself, Kido Zapata, number two, on the keyboard, and on bass is Gilbert Martinez.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=3682.48,3689.62"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/475","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Number four is Victor Lopez, and number five is Gerardo Mendoza. Number six, Enrique Martinez,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=3690.5,3700.78"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/476","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and he is a conda player, and bongo player, and drummer, very fine drummer, also plays good drum.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=3702.38,3708.74"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/477","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And Victor Reyes is number six, and he's a trumpet man. 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Number eight is Kenny Merchant, and he's a trombone player.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=3718.82,3728.0"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/479","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And number nine is David Castillo, he's a saxophone player and flute player.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=3728.68,3733.7"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/480","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"How long did this group stay in existence?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=3733.86,3735.78"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/481","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Oh we, I don't know, I guess maybe","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=3736.64,3738.84"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/482","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"uh","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=3738.84,3739.32"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/483","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"from nine months to a year. We were only doing this on Sundays.  The group was working, you know,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=3742.52,3749.82"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/484","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"different places, the group was all scattered, but on Sundays we formed this group just for that,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=3749.86,3755.86"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/485","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"you know, for the Sunday thing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=3756.24,3757.28"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/486","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Different places, where'd y'all play? Rio Posada?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=3757.34,3759.82"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/487","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"With this group we played the Rio Posada, which is located at Allen's Landing,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=3760.46,3767.2"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/488","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"there by the bayou, and then of course we did, we did the Tropicala Night Club,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=3767.92,3773.66"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/489","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"which was on Main Street, right underneath the freeway there, right in front of the Holiday Inn.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=3773.82,3778.46"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/490","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We also played the Windsor Plaza,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=3779.8,3783.86"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/491","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"which was the ballroom there at the Windsor Plaza.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=3789.14,3792.5"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/492","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And, you know, we did some concerts also, and that was about it. But it was strictly like on","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=3794.56,3801.4"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/493","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sundays, on nights when the band didn't have anything to do, you know, the band was real good.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=3801.4,3808.54"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/494","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The band was real good.  We were doing anything from Santana, we were doing to Tito Puente, to","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=3809.56,3819.48"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/495","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"oh, by the way, Latin-oriented, you know, it wasn't, we weren't doing any swing or any type","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994#t=3821.04,3827.8"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/127049/file/238994/transcript/65969/annotation/496","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"like that, everything was just Latin, and Latin-oriented. 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