{"@context":"http://iiif.io/api/presentation/3/context.json","id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/iiif/x05x63cm4p/manifest","type":"Manifest","label":{"en":["Kirkland, W. A."]},"logo":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/organizations/logo_images/000/000/252/original/HPL_ArchiveBannerCDM2.jpg?1738348845","metadata":[{"label":{"en":["Publisher"]},"value":{"en":["Houston Public Library Special Collections"]}},{"label":{"en":["Rights Statement"]},"value":{"en":["\u003cp\u003e\u003ca href=\"https://rightsstatements.org/page/CNE/1.0/?language=en\"\u003eCopyright Not Evaluated \u003c/a\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\u003cp\u003ePlease contact the Houston History Research Center, Houston, Texas. To request item: https://digital.houstonlibrary.org/reproductions-and-copyright\u003c/p\u003e"]}},{"label":{"en":["Agent"]},"value":{"en":["Kirkland, W. A. (Interviewee)","Henson, Margaret (Interviewer)"]}},{"label":{"en":["Date"]},"value":{"en":["August 22, 1974 ; August 30,1974 (created)"]}},{"label":{"en":["Language"]},"value":{"en":["English (primary)"]}},{"label":{"en":["Description"]},"value":{"en":["\u003cp\u003eWilliam Alexander Kirkland was born in 1898 in Houston. After his early education in Houston, he entered Princeton University in 1915. During that time he enlisted in the Naval reserve, when World War I was delared in 1917. In 1918, he was on active duty in Nantucket and he returned to Princeton in 1919 when he became inactive from naval duty. From there he returned to Texas to be enrolled in Law School. In 1920, he entered the family banking business at the First National Bank. He wrote a book on the history and development of the Bank in 1974. During World War II, he was again commissioned to work at the 8th Naval District in New Orleans from 1942-1944. In June 1945, he was made the Director of Welfare of the 8th Naval District.\u003c/p\u003e"]}},{"label":{"en":["Format"]},"value":{"en":["Videocassette tape, sound"]}},{"label":{"en":["Subject"]},"value":{"en":["Houston (Tex.) (geographic)","First National Bank (Houston, Tex.)","Banks and banking","Oral histories","United States. Navy","World War, 1914-1918","World War, 1939-1945","Princeton University;"]}},{"label":{"en":["Type"]},"value":{"en":["Sound"]}},{"label":{"en":["Custom Identifier"]},"value":{"en":["OH0093A"]}},{"label":{"en":["Note"]},"value":{"en":["Original"]}},{"label":{"en":["Funding Note"]},"value":{"en":["This project was made possible in part by the Institute of Museum and Library Services [ARPML-250908-OMLS-22]."]}}],"summary":{"en":["\u003cp\u003eWilliam Alexander Kirkland was born in 1898 in Houston. After his early education in Houston, he entered Princeton University in 1915. During that time he enlisted in the Naval reserve, when World War I was delared in 1917. In 1918, he was on active duty in Nantucket and he returned to Princeton in 1919 when he became inactive from naval duty. From there he returned to Texas to be enrolled in Law School. In 1920, he entered the family banking business at the First National Bank. He wrote a book on the history and development of the Bank in 1974. During World War II, he was again commissioned to work at the 8th Naval District in New Orleans from 1942-1944. In June 1945, he was made the Director of Welfare of the 8th Naval District.\u003c/p\u003e"]},"requiredStatement":{"label":{"en":["Attribution"]},"value":{"en":["\u003cp\u003e\u003ca href=\"https://rightsstatements.org/page/CNE/1.0/?language=en\"\u003eCopyright Not Evaluated \u003c/a\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\u003cp\u003ePlease contact the Houston History Research Center, Houston, Texas. To request item: https://digital.houstonlibrary.org/reproductions-and-copyright\u003c/p\u003e"]}},"provider":[{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/aboutus","type":"Agent","label":{"en":["Houston Public Library"]},"homepage":[{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/","type":"Text","label":{"en":["Houston Public Library"]},"format":"text/html"}],"logo":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/organizations/logo_images/000/000/252/original/HPL_ArchiveBannerCDM2.jpg?1738348845","type":"Image"}]}],"thumbnail":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/collection_resource_files/thumbnails/000/215/464/small/open-uri20231108-480-7h3vkj_1699463240.jpg?1699445243","type":"Image","format":"image/jpeg"}],"items":[{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464","type":"Canvas","label":{"en":["Media File 1 of 2 - OH0093A-WAKirkland.mp4"]},"duration":4690.26,"width":640,"height":360,"thumbnail":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/collection_resource_files/thumbnails/000/215/464/small/open-uri20231108-480-7h3vkj_1699463240.jpg?1699445243","type":"Image","format":"image/jpeg"}],"items":[{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/content/1","type":"AnnotationPage","items":[{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/content/1/annotation/1","type":"Annotation","motivation":"painting","body":{"id":"https://aviary-p-houstonlibrary.s3.wasabisys.com/collection_resource_files/resource_files/000/215/464/original/OH0093A-WAKirkland.mp4?1699445238","type":"Video","format":"video/mp4","duration":4690.26,"width":640,"height":360},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464","metadata":[]}]}],"annotations":[{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["OH0093A-WAKirkland [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/1","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"This is an interview with Mr. W. A.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=1.52,4.72"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kirkland, August 22, 1974.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=4.72,10.42"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Mr. Kirkland, would you tell us what year you were born, please?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=10.42,14.94"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yes, I was born on March 22, 1898, in Houston.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=14.94,21.54"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That's the corner of Main and Bell, where my mother and father, I think,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=21.54,31.98"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"had rooms in the house of a Mr. Goldthwait, who was a prominent lawyer.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=31.98,41.54"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"His son, Goldthwait and Moody, represented the First National Bank in those years.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=41.54,48.02"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"What corner was that on, the southeast or northeast?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=48.02,51.36"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That's the northeast corner, where Simpson's Bank Dining Car is now.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=51.36,56.04"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"OK.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=56.04,58.04"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And you have two sisters, is that correct?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=58.04,63.12"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=63.12,65.38"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"This is Mary Porter Kirkland?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=65.38,66.82"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"My sister is Mary Porter Kirkland Vandervoort, widow of A. S.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=66.82,74.04"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Vandervoort, Jr., also a native Houstonian.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=74.04,79.0"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And you had another sister named Laura?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=79.0,80.96"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yes, my first sister was born at the corner of Hamilton and Walker, which is","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=80.96,89.96"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"the first home that I can remember.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=89.96,95.13"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"She was born in 1900.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=95.13,99.01"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That's Mrs. Vandervoort.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=99.01,101.3"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yes, and the younger sister came eight years later.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=101.3,110.65"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And by that time, we had moved to about","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=110.65,118.14"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"1509 LaBranch, if I'm not wrong, Polk, between LaBranch and Crawford.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=118.14,131.43"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Her name is?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=131.43,133.53"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"She married George S.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=133.53,134.85"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Brooks, correct?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=134.85,135.59"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yes, her full name, Laura Shepard Kirkland.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=135.59,140.47"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"She's the wife of George S.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=140.47,142.39"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Brooks, Jr. Your early education, was it here in Houston?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=142.39,148.71"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yes, my first year in school was to the Mrs. Waldo.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=148.71,158.49"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jay Waldo's family?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=158.49,160.57"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yes, his three daughters.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=160.57,163.6"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And that school was at the corner of Crawford and Lamar and had a lot","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=163.6,170.77"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"of little boys and girls.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=170.77,174.23"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"A year later, Mrs. Waldo had moved to the corner","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=174.23,183.53"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"of Salmon and Walker.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=183.53,189.83"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I believe that's a corner where older private schools had been operating.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=189.83,203.71"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Was it a house kind of building or a school building?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=203.71,206.45"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yes, it was a cottage.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=206.45,208.49"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I have a photograph of it with the student body on the front steps.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=208.49,213.77"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And in the bottom row, there's a little girl who lived on the block and","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=213.77,218.59"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"it turned out to be her first year in school.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=218.59,223.51"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And she's the one to whom I'm married now.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=223.51,226.31"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Oh, so you all went to school together.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=226.31,229.63"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We had always known each other, I suppose.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=229.63,237.45"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/46","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We were babies, frequently, at the same location.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=237.45,243.39"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Laura was Cleveland.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=243.39,246.25"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The daughter of Alexander Sessom was Cleveland.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=246.25,250.72"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/49","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Then after one year there, and I was one of three, only three boys in","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=250.72,257.92"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/50","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"that school, we went to, Lois and I transferred, and we joined a","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=257.92,267.63"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/51","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"group of younger children.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=267.63,274.39"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/52","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The previous year, they had, Mrs. Waldo had girls of all ages, some right big","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=274.39,280.41"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/53","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"girls with high school age.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=280.41,282.31"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/54","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But this next year, we went to a little school run by a German woman","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=282.31,289.29"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/55","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"named Mrs. Boshoe.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=289.29,292.87"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/56","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And how you spell that, I can't tell you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=292.87,297.43"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/57","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But it was another cottage with a little play yard.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=297.43,301.25"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/58","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It was located on Crawford Street between Leland and Pease on the east side.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=301.25,315.2"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/59","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"After one year there, I was, over the protest of","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=315.2,323.66"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/60","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"the principal of the school, I was muscled by my grandfather, Alexander Porter","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=323.66,332.34"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/61","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Root, into the Houston Academy, operated by","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=332.34,342.24"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/62","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Professor C.W. Welch.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=342.24,345.95"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/63","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"About what year was this?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=345.95,348.93"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/64","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That must have been about 1907.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=348.93,356.84"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/65","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Oh, wait a minute, eight.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=356.84,359.24"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/66","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"No, no, I tried.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=359.24,361.58"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/67","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"About seven or eight.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=361.58,363.1"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/68","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Just trying to get a rough idea.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=363.1,364.96"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/69","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Seven or eight.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=364.96,366.06"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/70","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"What kind of a man was C.W. Welch that ran this academy?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=366.06,370.52"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/71","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, he was a large, vigorous man with a beard.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=370.52,382.21"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/72","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And he had been principal of the Houston High School, I believe, in years past.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=382.21,389.57"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/73","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"He was a graduate of Trinity College in North Carolina.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=389.57,397.36"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/74","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And he was one of those men who could teach anything.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=397.36,402.98"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/75","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"He had a good foundation.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=402.98,404.68"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/76","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And this grandfather of mine was so interested in the classics that he","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=404.68,411.62"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/77","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"persuaded Professor Welch to start me in Latin at nine.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=411.62,418.36"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/78","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And the next year, I began algebra and at 12, I began Greek.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=418.36,426.97"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/79","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And I stayed there through the springtime of 1915.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=426.97,436.43"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/80","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"By that time, the school had enlarged.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=436.43,440.43"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/81","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"They began to take a lot of younger boys and girls.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=440.43,446.43"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/82","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"His older daughter, Miss Louise Welch, was assisted by the teacher.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=446.43,456.76"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/83","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But by the time I left, they had set up a regular primary department with","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=456.76,462.76"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/84","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Miss Bell Scruggs as the teacher.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=462.76,473.02"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/85","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And these three people then managed the whole school, the primary and","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=473.02,478.68"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/86","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"secondary, and the high school.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=478.68,481.26"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/87","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"College entrance.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=481.26,483.54"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/88","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It was a remarkable school.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=483.54,486.36"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/89","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It deserved a story all its own.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=486.36,489.22"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/90","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And I have a panorama picture of some wonderful array of— a lot of in","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=489.22,496.18"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/91","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"college books were sent there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=496.18,498.38"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/92","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And Professor Welch was a great disciplinarian.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=498.38,502.06"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/93","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Supposed to be pretty rough and could be at times.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=502.06,506.78"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/94","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And here are lots of references to the Houston Academy.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=506.78,509.44"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/95","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Were any of the others— The old Houston Academy was an earlier institution that","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=509.44,515.5"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/96","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"preceded the Houston High School.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=515.5,518.419"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/97","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=518.419,519.12"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/98","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"This is a later— This is a private Houston Academy.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=519.12,522.5"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/99","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I guess maybe Professor Welch took the name with him when he left.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=522.5,526.66"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/100","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"After that, I was sent to Phillips Academy in Andover.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=526.66,537.12"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/101","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"My mother had died in 1911.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=537.12,542.64"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/102","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"My father, who had had to go to work at an early age and I","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=542.64,547.98"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/103","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"think had almost no high school, if any, had heard of Andover, although I","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=547.98,557.82"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/104","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"never had at that time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=557.82,560.2"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/105","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But it turned out to be a very important experience for me.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=560.2,563.44"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/106","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I was two years in New England.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=563.44,566.1"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/107","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"How was a boy from Houston, Texas, at that time, going to New England?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=566.1,572.26"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/108","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, we had— My mother believed firmly in taking her children away from this","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=572.26,581.72"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/109","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"altitude and climate every summer.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=581.72,585.42"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/110","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And we went away for a month or so every summer to the most obscure","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=585.42,589.64"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/111","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"places where the waters were at a very reasonable price.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=589.64,596.26"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/112","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Our favorite place was Clivecroft, New Mexico.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=596.26,599.94"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/113","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And the Sub-Pacific was promoting Clivecroft.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=599.94,604.88"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/114","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And as I remember, the round trip for adults was $20, and for our children,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=604.88,613.58"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/115","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"$10.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=613.58,615.4"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/116","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And we would rent a cottage and do our own work in that very rustic setting.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=615.4,621.34"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/117","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And then we went to New England once.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=621.34,623.38"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/118","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I was a special, a vacation that was, I think, financed by my grandparents, the","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=623.38,629.42"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/119","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Roots, at North Conway, New Hampshire.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=629.42,633.08"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/120","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And my grandfather had taken me around Boston and New York and stops back and","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=633.08,641.25"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/121","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"forth to that New Hampshire spot.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=641.25,645.23"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/122","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And then in 1913, my father, not wanting an idle boy hanging around, sent me","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=645.23,652.23"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/123","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"to a summer camp on Lake Winnipesaukee in New Hampshire.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=652.23,657.43"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/124","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And I played on three baseball teams and found out I could handle my own","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=657.43,661.41"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/125","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"little Yankee ball.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=661.41,663.31"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/126","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So although I knew no one at Andover when I had it, I had no","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=663.31,667.77"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/127","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"trouble making friends.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=667.77,671.28"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/128","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"You were good in sports.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=671.28,672.26"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/129","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Making a place for myself.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=672.26,673.72"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/130","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, I was interested in sports.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=673.72,674.92"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/131","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I was too good.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=674.92,675.96"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/132","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I got to be a poor baseball player.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=675.96,687.9"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/133","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I don't remember if there was any talk of cowboys and Indians.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=687.9,694.63"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/134","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I might have been inched down.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=694.63,696.71"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/135","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But they hopped on my southern accent right away and called me by a name","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=696.71,703.25"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/136","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"that we can't use today.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=703.25,708.71"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/137","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It's desegregated time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=708.71,710.57"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/138","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yes, they picked on you because you were from the south, I can imagine.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=710.57,718.32"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/139","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"After two years at Andover.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=718.32,722.82"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/140","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, my mother, who followed that Mr. Roop, for the graduate year in the class","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=722.82,729.02"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/141","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"of 61, in fact, after graduation, he came back to Texas and entered the","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=729.02,737.16"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/142","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Confederate Army.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=737.16,741.05"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/143","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And at the time of his graduation, he exchanged photographs with a lot of his","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=741.05,748.73"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/144","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"classmates at Yale.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=748.73,750.43"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/145","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And those came into my possession.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=750.43,753.57"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/146","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I've since sent them to the archives here at the university.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=753.57,758.71"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/147","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But on the back were written messages.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=758.71,762.11"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/148","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dear Sandy, we've had these happy years at Yale, and now you have to go","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=762.11,769.03"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/149","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"to the south to support the principles of your people, and we have to fight","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=769.03,775.91"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/150","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"on our side.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=775.91,777.59"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/151","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We can all join in the hope that we'll all gather together in New Haven","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=777.59,783.81"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/152","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"someday.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=783.81,785.29"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/153","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, despite that, my mother chose Princeton for me.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=785.29,792.93"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/154","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And I think it was because it had a little more southern quality.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=792.93,799.05"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/155","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And some of her younger cousins, some younger men, whose names would be","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=799.05,805.19"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/156","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"familiar to you, Hutchinson and Palmer and Sewell and Calhoun","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=805.19,814.59"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/157","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and Weeves, had gone there, and she liked the idea.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=814.59,821.11"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/158","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And so I found myself all the way following the decisions that she made for","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=821.11,827.71"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/159","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"me before I died.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=827.71,830.23"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/160","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And so I added Princeton in the fall of 1950.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=830.23,838.98"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/161","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Now, after that freshman year and I went back,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=838.98,849.15"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/162","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I went on a naval training cruise because the United States was in a period","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=849.15,855.27"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/163","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"of preparedness for what they knew would come later, what their leaders knew","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=855.27,859.75"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/164","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"would come later.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=859.75,865.31"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/165","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I mention this simply because about six months later, while I was in my","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=865.31,871.55"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/166","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"sophomore year, while the United States declared war in April 1917, and I","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=871.55,878.23"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/167","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"immediately enlisted in the Navy Reserve at Newport.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=878.23,886.12"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/168","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And that's another story because the Navy Reserve was just a paper organization","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=886.12,891.46"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/169","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"at that time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=891.46,893.6"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/170","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I think that cruise, that civilian naval training cruise that I was on was the","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=893.6,897.64"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/171","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"only one the Navy ever scheduled.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=897.64,904.06"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/172","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And World War I made it necessary for the Navy Reserve to be activated and","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=904.06,913.66"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/173","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"developed, as it has been all the years since.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=913.66,922.48"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/174","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I made a mistake after being turned down for a commission","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=922.48,931.8"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/175","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"because I was too young, they said.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=931.8,938.63"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/176","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I made the mistake of going on inactive duty and returning to Princeton for my","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=938.63,943.59"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/177","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"junior year, which was rather difficult when everybody else was in active","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=943.59,951.99"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/178","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"service.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=951.99,953.69"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/179","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It was with the understanding that I'd take an intensive course in navigation","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=953.69,960.01"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/180","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and in ordnance and gunnery, and that was supposed to pay off.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=960.01,966.85"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/181","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But in May 1918, I was back in the submarine chaser activity, just as","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=966.85,976.7"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/182","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I had been in the summer and fall of 1917.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=976.7,981.84"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/183","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"My experience in that other year had ended at Black Island, on the","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=981.84,991.28"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/184","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"subchaser.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=991.28,992.94"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/185","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"In the summer of 1918, I was on active duty at Nantucket.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=992.94,1000.77"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/186","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I enjoyed being exposed to both of those interesting places.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=1000.77,1006.03"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/187","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But in late September of 1918, I was transferred to Naval Aviation and was sent","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=1006.03,1015.19"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/188","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"to the ground school at MIT, where great","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=1015.19,1025.05"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/189","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"numbers of us were prepared for admission to the eight-week training course.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=1025.05,1033.15"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/190","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"This was just in its rudimentary state, the Naval Air Force at this time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=1033.15,1038.089"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/191","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, it turned out that I was in Flight 34, and so Flight 1 must","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=1038.089,1046.49"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/192","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"have started in fall of 1917 anyway, or maybe a little earlier than that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=1046.49,1056.09"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/193","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But the armistice came in November of that year, and many of us were allowed","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=1056.09,1064.31"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/194","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"to withdraw, again, our release from active duty.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=1064.31,1070.95"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/195","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But I stayed on and finished ground school because of the promise that we would","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=1070.95,1077.47"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/196","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"also be allowed to go to Pensacola and let them fly.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=1077.47,1082.23"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/197","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But the Navy changed its mind, and so at the end of January, I was","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=1082.23,1090.19"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/198","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"out on inactive duty and returned to Princeton the 1st of February of 1919","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=1090.19,1102.66"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/199","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"to finish in four months a full senior year.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=1102.66,1110.38"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/200","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"By that time, I had given up on the academic side and was interested mostly","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=1110.38,1116.12"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/201","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"in pitching on the baseball team.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=1116.12,1120.42"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/202","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But I now realized that I got a degree on the basis of about 2","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=1120.42,1124.46"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/203","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"1⁄2 years' work.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=1124.46,1126.76"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/204","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Princeton washed out its liabilities that way, but those of us who had my","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=1126.76,1134.26"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/205","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"experience were cheated.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=1134.26,1138.64"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/206","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Smaller ones delayed their return until the next year and graduated in the","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=1138.64,1145.16"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/207","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"class of 1920.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=1145.16,1146.98"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/208","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I'm sorry I didn't do that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=1146.98,1151.24"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/209","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"From there, you returned to Texas and enrolled?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=1151.24,1153.78"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/210","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yeah, I enrolled in the University of Texas Law School, again following the","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=1153.78,1159.72"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/211","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"direction that my mother had laid out.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=1159.72,1164.42"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/212","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"You were an obedient son.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=1164.42,1166.84"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/213","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, I think I was a little more obedient because my mother was a precious","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=1166.84,1170.3"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/214","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"memory by that time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=1170.3,1172.82"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/215","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And my father had died in 1914 when I was down there, so I was","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=1172.82,1180.12"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/216","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"pretty much on my own.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=1180.12,1184.0"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/217","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The determining factor in my withdrawal from the University of Texas after that","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=1184.0,1192.0"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/218","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"one fall term was the fact that I wanted to be married as soon as","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=1192.0,1199.16"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/219","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"possible, and it seemed necessary to get on a payroll before asking a man for","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=1199.16,1206.28"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/220","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"his daughter's hand.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=1206.28,1208.1"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/221","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"There were no married couples in college in those days that I knew about.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=1208.1,1214.9"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/222","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And my wife was a freshman at Wellesley when I found myself at MIT, so","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=1214.9,1221.16"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/223","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"it was there that we became acquainted with each other.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=1221.16,1229.97"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/224","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"All the years in between, we'd just seen each other passing, but we decided","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=1229.97,1235.83"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/225","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"then that maybe there was some future to our relationship.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=1235.83,1240.67"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/226","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And so I went to work on the 1st of February 1920.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=1240.67,1247.07"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/227","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We were married in January 1921.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=1247.07,1253.59"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/228","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, let's talk some then about the family banking business because it really","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=1253.59,1258.51"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/229","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"is a family bank.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=1258.51,1260.23"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/230","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, it was up until a certain time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=1260.23,1264.73"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/231","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I couldn't put my finger on the time when the","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=1264.73,1276.16"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/232","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"bank, though controlled by a scattered representation of Mr. B","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=1276.16,1286.32"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/233","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":".A. Shepard's descendants, was operated and controlled in its policies","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=1286.32,1295.9"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/234","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"by professionals, men who had either grown up in the bank or had been brought","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=1295.9,1300.92"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/235","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"in from outside to provide the staff.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=1300.92,1305.38"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/236","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"There was always, up until the time, well, up until the present time, there's","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=1305.38,1315.01"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/237","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"always been at least one or more representatives of the Shepard family in the","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=1315.01,1320.95"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/238","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"bank.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=1320.95,1321.37"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/239","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"You notice this, but you also notice the continuity of names who come in at","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=1321.37,1326.07"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/240","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"early stages of working in the bank who then comes up through the ranks, as","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=1326.07,1331.25"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/241","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"it were.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=1331.25,1331.77"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/242","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=1331.77,1332.33"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/243","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And you would say these people were professional bankers, trained people?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=1332.33,1337.77"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/244","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Coming in from the Federal Reserve System or from other banks.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=1337.77,1342.29"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/245","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"For instance, what are some of the ones that are outstanding, would you say?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=1342.29,1347.93"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/246","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, the outstanding man was Mr. John T.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=1347.93,1350.81"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/247","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Scott, who became a bookkeeper, I think, in 1893, and as the main wizard","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=1350.81,1360.77"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/248","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"of the bank until his death.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=1360.77,1363.57"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/249","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Even though retired, he was sort of honorary chairman.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=1363.57,1370.47"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/250","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"He'd been trained where, in the Federal Reserve?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=1370.47,1373.51"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/251","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"No, he had not.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=1373.51,1374.43"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/252","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But he was one who worked up in the bank.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=1374.43,1377.85"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/253","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yes, I noticed that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=1377.85,1378.81"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/254","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yes, and another one was Mr. Frank Russell, distinguished Roman Catholic layman","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=1378.81,1387.42"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/255","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"who worked up in the bank.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=1387.42,1391.98"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/256","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But, and of course, a member of the Shepard family, W.S. Cochran, worked","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=1391.98,1402.1"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/257","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"up in the bank from an early age until his retirement after 50 years.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=1402.1,1409.34"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/258","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Retirement as a vice president after 50 years of work.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=1409.34,1413.52"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/259","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But in the meantime, the bank had had to reach outside for some high-level","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=1413.52,1422.56"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/260","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"help.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=1422.56,1424.2"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/261","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And there was a string of very distinguished men that came in and served, Mr.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=1424.2,1431.38"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/262","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"H.R. Eldridge, Mr. Oscar Wells, Mr. F.M. Long, and","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=1431.38,1443.21"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/263","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"two men from the Federal Reserve System, which, of course, only started in","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=1443.21,1447.93"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/264","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"1940.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=1447.93,1450.45"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/265","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Mr. S.R. Lorder, L-A-W-D-E-R, and M.D. Jenkins.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=1450.45,1461.83"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/266","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And, of course, there were later importations, you might say.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=1461.83,1471.1"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/267","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And several who worked up from the bottom.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=1471.1,1475.5"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/268","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"They were not of the Shepard family.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=1475.5,1480.16"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/269","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"John T.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=1480.16,1481.08"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/270","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Scott of Texas?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=1481.08,1482.64"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/271","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"He was a Mississippian.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=1482.64,1485.9"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/272","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Came to Texas as a bookkeeper in a drug, wholesale drug house.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=1485.9,1490.84"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/273","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Transferred as a bookkeeper in the bank.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=1490.84,1496.93"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/274","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I, of course, was a great-grandson of Mr. Shepard, but I didn't work up","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=1496.93,1503.79"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/275","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"anywhere.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=1503.79,1505.09"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/276","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Let's pause just a minute and talk about Mr. Shepard.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=1505.09,1509.71"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/277","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"He interests me in particular.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=1509.71,1512.71"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/278","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It says that someplace I read that he never took an oath of loyalty to","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=1512.71,1517.87"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/279","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"the Confederacy, but that he served the Confederacy well.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=1517.87,1522.19"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/280","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Does this make any sense to you?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=1522.19,1525.09"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/281","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It makes sense in that I know he was an opponent of secession.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=1525.09,1531.49"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/282","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"He was a Unionist, like Samuel?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=1531.49,1533.19"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/283","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"No, no, he wasn't a Unionist in that sense.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=1533.19,1536.95"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/284","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Never was so branded.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=1536.95,1540.55"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/285","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But in his private letters to members of his family in Virginia when she had","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=1540.55,1549.44"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/286","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"come, and even to his daughter who was in school in New York in 1860,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=1549.44,1557.08"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/287","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"he dreaded the thought of secession.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=1557.08,1560.36"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/288","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But when he became a fact, he joined forces with","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=1560.36,1569.05"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/289","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"the...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=1569.05,1571.53"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/290","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I mean, he became a confederate like everybody else.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=1571.53,1574.55"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/291","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Nobody had to take an oath of allegiance to the Confederacy.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=1574.55,1578.15"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/292","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It was just coming back into Union, they had to take an oath of allegiance","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=1578.15,1583.17"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/293","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"to the United States.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=1583.17,1586.01"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/294","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Have you, in your perusing his letters and looking at all of this, have any","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=1586.01,1591.03"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/295","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"idea of why he was opposed to secession?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=1591.03,1594.03"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/296","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Do you think it was bad for Texas economically, or just what do you think?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=1594.03,1602.23"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/297","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Or was it clear?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=1602.23,1603.23"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/298","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It might not have been clear.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=1603.23,1603.73"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/299","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It has not yet become clear.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=1603.73,1607.45"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/300","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I'm taking notes on all those things, and I haven't had a chance really to","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=1607.45,1611.23"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/301","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"go back and analyze them as carefully as would be necessary to answer that","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=1611.23,1616.65"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/302","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"question.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=1616.65,1617.35"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/303","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yeah, well, those are those kind of things that historians are...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=1617.35,1619.65"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/304","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, I know his comments on annexation of Texas.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=1619.65,1624.89"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/305","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"He felt that the United States had treated Texas very badly, acting aloof and","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=1624.89,1630.87"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/306","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"indifferent.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=1630.87,1632.25"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/307","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"He expressed the hope that annexation would fail, and he hoped it would, that","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=1632.25,1637.09"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/308","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Texas had got along well on its own scene.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=1637.09,1640.21"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/309","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"This was typical of most of the merchants.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=1640.21,1642.63"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/310","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That's true.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=1642.63,1644.01"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/311","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Of course, the merchants dreaded the competition from the United States.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=1644.01,1649.43"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/312","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"He thought that also the tariff would apply as part of the United States.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=1649.43,1655.19"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/313","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That's true.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=1655.19,1656.21"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/314","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And they had been able to avoid tariffs or make favorable arrangements with the","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=1656.21,1661.33"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/315","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"European nations.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=1661.33,1662.27"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/316","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yes, they had.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=1662.27,1663.85"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/317","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, it would be interesting as you study his letters to see more about Mr.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=1663.85,1668.27"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/318","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Shepard.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=1668.27,1668.75"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/319","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"By the way, a lot of answers to these questions would be in some of","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=1668.75,1674.17"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/320","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"the notes that I had taken.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=1674.17,1675.55"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/321","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Very good.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=1675.55,1676.25"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/322","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We'll be looking forward to seeing those notes when they're all put away.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=1676.25,1681.39"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/323","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Where are you going to put the Shepard papers?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=1681.39,1683.61"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/324","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"You're going to Rice, you think?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=1683.61,1685.89"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/325","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I'm not going to put that in the record yet.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=1685.89,1688.05"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/326","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"You're still undecided about that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=1688.05,1690.61"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/327","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But Rice now, since a granddaughter of Mr. Shepard established the music school","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=1690.61,1697.07"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/328","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and his memory, Rice has a certain priority that I might throw into the scale.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=1697.07,1704.75"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/329","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Very nice.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=1704.75,1705.27"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/330","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I'm sure they will appreciate it, but those are very valuable records that need","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=1705.27,1710.27"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/331","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"to be preserved because Shepard was such an important business figure.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=1710.27,1715.27"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/332","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, he was in his day.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=1715.27,1718.15"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/333","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And he was a great letter writer.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=1718.15,1721.67"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/334","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And I have, as you know, copies of his personal business correspondence from","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=1721.67,1727.11"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/335","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"1844 to 1891 with only one serious gap there in the late 50s.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=1727.11,1734.49"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/336","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And those are letter books.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=1734.49,1736.43"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/337","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Those are letter books.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=1736.43,1738.45"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/338","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Letter press.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=1738.45,1739.19"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/339","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Made by the old letter press method.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=1739.19,1744.07"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/340","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And quite legible.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=1744.07,1745.79"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/341","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Surprisingly so.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=1745.79,1746.91"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/342","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"A very complete collection, too, in good shape.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=1746.91,1750.55"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/343","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It would be interesting to know how many such connections there are in the","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=1750.55,1753.81"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/344","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"United States.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=1753.81,1754.83"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/345","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I know it must be rare.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=1754.83,1756.55"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/346","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yes, I'm sure it is.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=1756.55,1757.99"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/347","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It's very seldom that you get such well-preserved records.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=1757.99,1761.13"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/348","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"They've been in your family's possession all along.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=1761.13,1763.15"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/349","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"No, in the bank's possession.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=1763.15,1764.55"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/350","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"In the bank's possession.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=1764.55,1765.63"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/351","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yes, the bank has been, without anybody knowing it, been very careful to","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=1765.63,1771.03"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/352","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"preserve those things in the vault, thinking they were an important bank","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=1771.03,1776.71"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/353","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"record, when they're really a personal one.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=1776.71,1779.09"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/354","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So they came into my possession by when they were discovered in the bank with","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=1779.09,1787.83"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/355","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"all the many books and everything else.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=1787.83,1789.89"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/356","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And then the banking papers are separate and they will be given properly.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=1789.89,1794.83"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/357","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The officials of the First City National decide where they will be stored.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=1794.83,1801.79"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/358","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Very good.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=1801.79,1802.41"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/359","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, we're interested in preserving the records so that no one throws them out","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=1802.41,1806.67"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/360","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"by mistake.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=1806.67,1808.21"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/361","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That's our main interest.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=1808.21,1811.95"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/362","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Let's see.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=1811.95,1812.83"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/363","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"You entered, then, in the family banking business about 1920.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=1812.83,1817.85"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/364","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And that was the clerk?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=1817.85,1819.85"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/365","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=1819.85,1820.33"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/366","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Let me say now that I didn't think of it as a family banking business.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=1820.33,1825.29"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/367","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It never occurred to me to go in a bank.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=1825.29,1830.04"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/368","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I simply took a few weeks to decide where to dig in and not","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=1830.04,1840.74"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/369","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"recognizing at that time how interesting a future in the oil business would be,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=1840.74,1849.52"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/370","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I thought I'd take a job in the bank, where they seemed to be willing","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=1849.52,1857.06"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/371","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"to try me, and stay a couple of years until I could get my feet","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=1857.06,1864.02"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/372","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"on the ground and decide where to apply myself to the long pool.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=1864.02,1873.78"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/373","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But having become entangled in the bank, I never was able to educate myself.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=1873.78,1882.6"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/374","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"At that time, I had a little daughter, and the prospect of","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=1882.6,1892.9"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/375","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"conserving one without any drama was interesting enough to keep me all my life.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=1892.9,1904.2"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/376","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Do you remember the effect of the great crash of 29 and the resulting","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=1904.2,1910.73"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/377","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"depression and how it affected the First National Bank?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=1910.73,1914.23"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/378","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Your personal memories of that time?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=1914.23,1918.45"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/379","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Was there a run on the bank?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=1918.45,1920.23"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/380","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Never at all, no.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=1920.23,1921.47"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/381","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Never had a run.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=1921.47,1923.77"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/382","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And although the bank, because of its liberal lending policies and its","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=1923.77,1931.88"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/383","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"unwillingness to take harsh measures against...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=1931.88,1938.85"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/384","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Defaulters?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=1938.85,1939.47"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/385","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yes, people in default.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=1939.47,1945.69"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/386","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Found it necessary in 1933 to reorganize, and with the","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=1945.69,1956.02"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/387","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"help of a loan from the Reconstruction Finance Corporation, made a new start.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=1956.02,1966.94"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/388","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And it's a remarkable recovery, not only because it addressed itself","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=1966.94,1976.88"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/389","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"to the task of rebuilding.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=1976.88,1984.46"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/390","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The restoration of values as the nation pulled itself out of the depths made it","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=1984.46,1993.71"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/391","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"possible to restore, or to pay off the RFC","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=1993.71,2003.12"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/392","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"in eight years and give the stock in the new bank to the stockholders of","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=2003.12,2012.02"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/393","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"what we call the old bank.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=2012.02,2016.78"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/394","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"This reorganization, can you describe it a little bit in detail for us?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=2016.78,2022.86"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/395","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"If I do, I'll give away all that I have, my whole story.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=2022.86,2030.36"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/396","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"This book you're writing is about the development of the bank.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=2030.36,2034.32"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/397","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, now you've brought it out for the first time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=2034.32,2036.76"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/398","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I have written such a book, and it will be published, and it's the history","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=2036.76,2040.68"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/399","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"of the bank, not in detail as to growth in volume and profit,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=2040.68,2051.1"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/400","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"but a rootable, I hope, account of its founding.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=2051.1,2059.38"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/401","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It's for the layperson.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=2059.38,2062.06"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/402","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yes, for the layperson.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=2062.06,2063.96"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/403","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"A general history.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=2063.96,2065.08"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/404","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Although I think there are aspects of it that would be interesting to a banker,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=2065.08,2072.78"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/405","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"not from the technical side of it, but from the standpoint of general","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=2072.78,2084.26"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/406","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"interest in arriving at the point where you have to take a new start and","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=2084.26,2092.8"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/407","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"the recovery from that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=2092.8,2095.159"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/408","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Who's publishing this, and about when is it going to be?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=2095.159,2097.22"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/409","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The Gulf Publishing Company.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=2097.22,2098.52"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/410","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It'll come out in 1975, quite early.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=2098.52,2102.72"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/411","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, it'll be time for the bicentennial festivities.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=2102.72,2106.46"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/412","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That ought to be rather timely, because Mr. Shepard's Bank moves back beyond","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=2106.46,2111.14"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/413","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"that time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=2111.14,2111.94"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/414","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I think that's a nice timing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=2111.94,2116.56"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/415","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It'll be 110 years old at that time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=2116.56,2122.96"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/416","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"You mentioned you had a daughter.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=2122.96,2125.06"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/417","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Do you have other children, too?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=2125.06,2127.24"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/418","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=2127.24,2129.66"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/419","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"My older daughter, Barbara Curtin","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=2129.66,2139.06"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/420","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Childs, is the wife of Clay Childs, an oil drilling contractor.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=2139.06,2152.26"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/421","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And they lived in Alice, Texas, for 23 years before making their residence in","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=2152.26,2161.48"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/422","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Houston.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=2161.48,2162.94"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/423","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"He's now president of the Western Oceanic Company.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=2162.94,2172.71"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/424","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We're a subsidiary of Western Company and is engaged in offshore drilling with","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=2172.71,2185.05"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/425","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"one big rig in the North Sea, another one about to go off into very","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=2185.05,2191.19"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/426","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"deep water in the Gulf, some so-called jack-up rigs, one in Brazil and","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=2191.19,2198.49"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/427","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"one or two in the Gulf, and they're expanding.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=2198.49,2203.49"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/428","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"He has one son, Bill Childs, William E.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=2203.49,2207.99"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/429","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Childs, who's coming up in that company after having finished about 10 months","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=2207.99,2217.77"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/430","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"on a rig on that rig in the North Sea.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=2217.77,2225.33"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/431","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Do you have other children besides Childs?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=2225.33,2228.45"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/432","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yes, I have another daughter.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=2228.45,2229.97"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/433","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Her name is Virginia K.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=2229.97,2233.15"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/434","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ennis.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=2233.15,2238.17"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/435","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Not related to the old Houston Ennis?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=2238.17,2240.59"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/436","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"No, that's I-N.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=2240.59,2245.87"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/437","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That family is a profit throughout.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=2245.87,2251.85"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/438","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"She was first married to Mr. Warren Pond, a New Yorker who'd come to Houston","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=2251.85,2258.47"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/439","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"to live.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=2258.47,2259.91"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/440","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I have two children, Steven Pond and Barbara Pond, both college students.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=2259.91,2271.76"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/441","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"She now is a widower for the second time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=2271.76,2283.14"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/442","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Came to Houston for two years, but has returned to profits all over Ennis.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=2283.14,2288.38"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/443","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It's sad, but she fell in love with New England and decided she'd rather make","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=2288.38,2298.21"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/444","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"a home there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=2298.21,2299.65"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/445","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Americans are very travel-oriented, Just the two daughters, then?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=2299.65,2308.51"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/446","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=2308.51,2316.24"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/447","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The three grandsons and the two granddaughters.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=2316.24,2325.22"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/448","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I'd like to mention that one of my granddaughters is getting the Ennis \u0026 Lowry","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=2325.22,2329.94"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/449","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"award.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=2329.94,2332.28"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/450","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"First as a model, and now as a movie actress.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=2332.28,2338.46"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/451","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Oh, really?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=2338.46,2339.02"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/452","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Who's that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=2339.02,2339.74"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/453","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Her name is Lois Childs, and she had a part of George and the Great","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=2339.74,2346.16"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/454","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Gatsby.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=2346.16,2350.53"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/455","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And because it was based pretty much on her beauty, she had just finished a","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=2350.53,2357.95"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/456","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"two-month stint in summer stock in Ohio and Michigan.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=2357.95,2364.13"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/457","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I think she learned a great deal about acting on the open stage.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=2364.13,2370.85"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/458","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, that's interesting.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=2370.85,2374.89"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/459","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"You used to live on Cortland Place.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=2374.89,2377.05"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/460","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That was such an interesting street.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=2377.05,2379.97"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/461","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It had so many lovely homes on it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=2379.97,2383.87"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/462","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, my wife's father and mother built their home there in 1911.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=2383.87,2396.81"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/463","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"My wife was married from there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=2396.81,2398.79"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/464","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ten years later, we built our first home on","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=2398.79,2408.85"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/465","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Berthier Street, back at the Plaza Hotel.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=2408.85,2416.14"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/466","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And after ten years, lost it to the Depression.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=2416.14,2420.16"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/467","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But after two or three years in an apartment house on Caroline Street, of","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=2420.16,2428.42"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/468","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"course in the Clayton residence, we built her a home on a","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=2428.42,2438.26"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/469","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"lot given to her by her uncle in Cortland Place, a lot in Cortland Place.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=2438.26,2449.06"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/470","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"A two-story house, three bedrooms and two baths.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=2449.06,2454.52"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/471","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"At a cost of $10,000.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=2454.52,2458.43"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/472","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Fantastic, isn't it?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=2458.43,2460.93"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/473","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That was quite a bit of money.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=2460.93,2462.49"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/474","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That was 1987, and money went a considerable distance.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=2462.49,2469.16"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/475","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And a very nice, comfortable home for $10,000.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=2469.16,2471.3"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/476","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It was a very, very pleasant place.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=2471.3,2475.76"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/477","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And we lived in that, except for our time after World War II, for 19","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=2475.76,2483.62"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/478","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"years.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=2483.62,2485.66"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/479","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Meanwhile, the Clevelands had moved to the Warwick Hotel and rented","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=2485.66,2496.38"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/480","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"that house.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=2496.38,2499.78"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/481","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Strange enough to my sister, Ms. Vandervoort.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=2499.78,2505.35"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/482","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But when she moved into a house of her own, we took over the big","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=2505.35,2511.41"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/483","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Cleveland house and rented out our little place next door.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=2511.41,2522.67"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/484","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"One of them was disposed of in 1971, and the other in early 1972.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=2522.67,2531.77"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/485","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"This is the Cleveland?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=2531.77,2533.53"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/486","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"No, the big house in 1971, and the little house in 1972.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=2533.53,2540.19"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/487","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That's very recent.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=2540.19,2542.59"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/488","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We had just moved into this little combination of two townhouses in September","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=2542.59,2551.87"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/489","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"1971.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=2551.87,2556.61"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/490","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"You mentioned just then about World War II.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=2556.61,2561.05"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/491","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Let's talk a little bit about your experiences in World War II, where you went","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=2561.05,2564.87"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/492","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"back into the Navy.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=2564.87,2567.43"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/493","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, I was not proud of my World War I record.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=2567.43,2573.31"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/494","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And so, early in 1942, I made up my mind to get","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=2573.31,2583.93"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/495","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"back in the service.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=2583.93,2590.7"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/496","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I presented myself at the recruiting office in the post office building.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=2590.7,2597.5"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/497","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I was told by a Navy chief that I really had no qualifications for","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=2597.5,2607.36"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/498","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"any rating that he could suggest.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=2607.36,2612.98"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/499","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I couldn't type well enough to be a yeoman.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=2612.98,2616.82"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/500","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And he said, maybe, because you're a vice president of the bank, maybe the man","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=2616.82,2624.3"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/501","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"down the hall who's recruiting officers would have something interesting.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=2624.3,2629.56"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/502","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So I went there, and he took my application.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=2629.56,2635.68"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/503","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And it developed that the training I'd had dealing with people, analyzing","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=2635.68,2642.38"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/504","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"financial statements, qualified me for the recruiting of officers.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=2642.38,2651.13"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/505","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And so I was commissioned for work in that very field and assigned to the","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=2651.13,2660.48"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/506","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"head office for the 8th Naval District, located in New Orleans.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=2660.48,2668.6"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/507","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The executive officer of that activity was a Naval Academy graduate who","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=2668.6,2675.2"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/508","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"maintained active interest in the Naval Reserve.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=2675.2,2679.4"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/509","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"He wanted to get away to sea, and he saw in me a possible replacement.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=2679.4,2686.56"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/510","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And so after a month or so of training under him, I became the executive","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=2686.56,2691.5"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/511","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"officer of that activity.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=2691.5,2695.74"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/512","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And I remained in that capacity until February 1944, when","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=2695.74,2706.49"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/513","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"repeated attempts to obtain transfer to some distant base","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=2706.49,2715.81"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/514","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"in an administrative capacity were refused by the personnel department in","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=2715.81,2724.63"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/515","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Washington, Bureau of Personnel.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=2724.63,2728.07"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/516","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But finally, when the USS Houston, CL-81, the second","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=2728.07,2737.64"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/517","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"cruiser of the name, which was, as you may recall, dramatically financed by the","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=2737.64,2746.1"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/518","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"people of Houston and purported to be manned by the 1,000 or","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=2746.1,2755.06"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/519","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"so recruits signed up to whom an oath was administered in","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=2755.06,2765.4"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/520","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"a ceremony on Main Street right in front of Lower State Theater.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=2765.4,2772.5"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/521","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"There's a plaque in the sidewalk there marking the place.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=2772.5,2775.28"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/522","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"What year was that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=2775.28,2776.26"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/523","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That was 1944.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=2776.26,2781.1"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/524","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"With all that excitement, it seemed appropriate","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=2781.1,2790.82"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/525","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"to apply for transfer to the USS Houston as the native son.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=2790.82,2799.38"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/526","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And with a boost from the Secretary of Commerce, who was Mr. Jesse H.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=2799.38,2804.2"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/527","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jones of Houston, to the surprise of everybody, my request was","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=2804.2,2814.1"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/528","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"granted.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=2814.1,2814.82"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/529","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"You won.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=2814.82,2815.44"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/530","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"You won the prize.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=2815.44,2818.72"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/531","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And after a ten-day delay before reporting for duty there, during which period","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=2818.72,2826.94"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/532","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"my daughter Barbara was married to a naval officer, Clay Childs, I went to","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=2826.94,2835.93"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/533","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Newport News and reported to the ship just as it had come back from its","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=2835.93,2844.57"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/534","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"shakedown cruise at Trinidad.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=2844.57,2854.46"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/535","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And because I was a lieutenant commander with no sea duty since World War I,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=2854.46,2865.0"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/536","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"nobody could understand what role I could play on a fighting ship.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=2865.0,2872.9"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/537","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And I think they rated me a political commissar.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=2872.9,2882.08"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/538","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But they made me into the executive officer to do half of the paperwork.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=2882.08,2889.92"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/539","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And I did all sorts of things.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=2889.92,2894.82"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/540","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I was an office major.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=2894.82,2898.86"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/541","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But I was soon taught to be a junior officer of the deck and then","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=2898.86,2904.8"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/542","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"qualified as a senior officer of the deck.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=2904.8,2908.58"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/543","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And from there on stood regular top watches, as they say.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=2908.58,2916.34"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/544","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We were in all the fast carrier activities in Task Force 33 and 53","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=2916.34,2925.97"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/545","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"in the Pacific until we were torpedoed off Palo Morso in October","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=2925.97,2936.69"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/546","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"1944.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=2936.69,2941.15"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/547","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We began our tortuous return to the States by","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=2941.15,2951.22"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/548","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"way of UNITI, MADIS, and the Ability Islands.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=2951.22,2960.98"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/549","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Pearl Harbor, California.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=2960.98,2965.04"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/550","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Panama Canal in Britannia.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=2965.04,2968.26"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/551","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Cuba, I believe.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=2968.26,2974.99"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/552","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I wound up as...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=2974.99,2982.92"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/553","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"When the war was over, how did you come out of the MADIS?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=2982.92,2987.08"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/554","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Let me just say, in June, June of 1945, I was made director of welfare","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=2987.08,2994.08"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/555","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"in the 8th Navy District.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=2994.08,2996.42"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/556","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That may be a duplication.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=2996.42,2998.32"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/557","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"No.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=2998.32,3000.48"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/558","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That had to do with housing and recreational","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=3000.48,3010.1"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/559","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"worship service stores and all that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=3010.1,3017.45"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/560","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But by September, I had so many.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=3017.45,3022.37"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/561","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"With the aid and length of service, I had so many points.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=3022.37,3026.31"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/562","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I then was released from active duty.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=3026.31,3032.78"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/563","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"After the vacation, I returned to the bank and tried to get","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=3032.78,3042.46"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/564","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"back into the stream of things.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=3042.46,3047.5"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/565","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Let's talk about your service as a school board member in the 1920s.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=3047.5,3052.24"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/566","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"This also seems to be a family service.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=3052.24,3055.52"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/567","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Your father-in-law was...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=3055.52,3056.92"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/568","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yes, Mr. Cleveland had been a member of the school board in the days when","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=3056.92,3061.02"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/569","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"it was under city control.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=3061.02,3065.78"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/570","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"He had been appointed by a succession of mayors.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=3065.78,3069.12"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/571","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It was served right up until the...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=3069.12,3070.78"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/572","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Until the Independent School District was organized, I believe.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=3070.78,3075.34"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/573","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"1923, I believe that's right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=3075.34,3081.34"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/574","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Claude Pollard, who had been, I think, an attorney general in the state or","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=3081.34,3085.98"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/575","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"later became one, was a member of that board.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=3085.98,3089.36"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/576","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"When he resigned in early 1927, in January","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=3089.36,3099.2"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/577","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"or February, I was appointed to fill his vacancy.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=3099.2,3107.69"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/578","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And then, in May of that year, I had to stand for election.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=3107.69,3116.0"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/579","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I was elected to that term and to two others succeeding that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=3116.0,3121.34"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/580","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That made you serve for...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=3121.34,3123.24"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/581","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"A little over six years.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=3123.24,3127.12"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/582","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So you saw an interesting period on the school board.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=3127.12,3131.3"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/583","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yes, and right soon, Mr. W.B. Bates was appointed to fill another vacancy.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=3131.3,3140.48"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/584","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And so we served together for over two terms, I feel sure.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=3140.48,3151.22"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/585","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"He later became the president of the board.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=3151.22,3156.99"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/586","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And, of course, Dr. E.G. Oberholtzer was the superintendent.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=3156.99,3161.95"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/587","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"He had come down from Oklahoma.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=3161.95,3167.13"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/588","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And he was a magnificent administrator.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=3167.13,3173.7"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/589","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"During his time, there was no question of dual control of the system.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=3173.7,3178.9"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/590","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"He ran the system.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=3178.9,3184.06"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/591","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ran it well.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=3184.06,3186.66"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/592","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Was there any trouble getting schools financed in those days?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=3186.66,3192.15"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/593","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"No.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=3192.15,3196.79"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/594","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The teachers' salaries were at a low level, and the budget was balanced","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=3196.79,3204.98"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/595","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"regularly, as I recall.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=3204.98,3208.46"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/596","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We did get into the Depression.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=3208.46,3215.64"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/597","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"There was never any possibility...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=3215.64,3217.12"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/598","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"There was never any thought of inability to meet payroll.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=3217.12,3226.34"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/599","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But I'm inclined to think that there were some minor reductions in the pay","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=3226.34,3233.52"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/600","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"scales after a while.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=3233.52,3235.02"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/601","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That was a common practice.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=3235.02,3238.69"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/602","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But the dollar went a whole lot...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=3238.69,3240.45"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/603","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Went increasingly far, and nobody was hurt as long as they...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=3240.45,3245.65"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/604","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"There weren't as many extracurricular programs, and maintenance wasn't as high,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=3245.65,3250.61"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/605","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"too.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=3250.61,3250.95"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/606","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"None of those things were found necessarily.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=3250.95,3253.85"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/607","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Did the school board ever get asked to give some kind of aid to the","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=3253.85,3259.15"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/608","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"poor children who were having a hard time staying in school?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=3259.15,3263.21"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/609","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Was there any of that sort of thing?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=3263.21,3264.65"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/610","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I don't recall that there was.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=3264.65,3266.57"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/611","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Probably it was done through churches, through private charities, I imagine.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=3266.57,3272.77"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/612","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It seems like that would be about right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=3272.77,3274.57"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/613","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I don't even remember that the question of school breakfast came up.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=3274.57,3280.29"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/614","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"If it had, I'm sure that Oberholzer would have found a way to solve it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=3280.29,3288.83"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/615","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It was during that period that a decision was made to use the San Jacinto","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=3288.83,3297.8"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/616","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"High School at night for Houston Junior College.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=3297.8,3302.54"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/617","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And a year later, the Houston Negro Junior College.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=3302.54,3310.0"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/618","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"They were to be supported wholly out of tuition.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=3310.0,3313.16"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/619","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The only drain on the taxpayers to be the...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=3313.16,3322.64"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/620","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Maybe the lights and the...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=3322.64,3328.02"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/621","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"This was the idea of Oberholzer, wasn't it?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=3328.02,3330.84"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/622","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wasn't it his idea?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=3330.84,3332.22"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/623","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=3332.22,3333.62"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/624","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Implemented under his direction by Dr. Cameron, who later became the president","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=3333.62,3339.96"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/625","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"of the University of Houston.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=3339.96,3341.38"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/626","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=3341.38,3341.82"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/627","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"He was very interested in all sorts of vocational programs.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=3341.82,3345.92"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/628","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Whatever the people needed, he would tailor according to them.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=3345.92,3349.76"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/629","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"He was an able man.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=3349.76,3352.68"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/630","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Both of these men had their opponents.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=3352.68,3358.48"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/631","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Oh, I'm sure.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=3358.48,3359.54"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/632","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"They were very innovative.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=3359.54,3361.04"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/633","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"They brought a whole new...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=3361.04,3361.72"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/634","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"They were innovative.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=3361.72,3364.54"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/635","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I know Dr. Cameron seemed to have been terribly criticized about the time that","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=3364.54,3369.16"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/636","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"he brought the television to Channel 8, the educational television.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=3369.16,3375.24"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/637","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Oh, yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=3375.24,3376.32"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/638","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"There was an article in Life or Look or something, and it even remarked on","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=3376.32,3381.82"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/639","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"the fact that he was way ahead of the thinking of the community.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=3381.82,3385.4"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/640","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"This was too far out and too expensive sort of tool for Houston.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=3385.4,3392.56"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/641","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That has gotten away from my memory.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=3392.56,3395.96"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/642","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It all sounds very familiar.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=3395.96,3400.4"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/643","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I agree with Dr. Cameron.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=3400.4,3403.56"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/644","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"In those days, the school board had able people on it that were concerned only","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=3403.56,3411.84"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/645","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"with service to the public.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=3411.84,3415.2"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/646","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"There were no factions in the board.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=3415.2,3418.18"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/647","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"No liberal and conservative people.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=3418.18,3419.56"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/648","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"No division on ideological grounds.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=3419.56,3424.5"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/649","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Whatever it is.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=3424.5,3425.28"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/650","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We can call it that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=3425.28,3427.06"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/651","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And they had a very able business manager, Hubert Mill, who was my close friend","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=3427.06,3435.94"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/652","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and worked ably and willingly under Dr. Oberholtz and effectively.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=3435.94,3451.68"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/653","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Your sister then later served on the school board in the 1950s, didn't she,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=3451.68,3457.52"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/654","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"about the time of the Brown case?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=3457.52,3459.7"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/655","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yes, she was on the board when the Brown case was decided.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=3459.7,3468.78"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/656","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"What was her attitude towards the problems of integration?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=3468.78,3473.04"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/657","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, she is a liberal in the matter of racial relations, as I am, and","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=3473.04,3481.06"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/658","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"she made the first proposal of at least token compliance with the desegregation","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=3481.06,3490.58"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/659","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"clause.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=3490.58,3491.76"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/660","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"How did this affect her colleagues?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=3491.76,3500.38"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/661","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, by the time she did that, the composition of the board had become","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=3500.38,3506.06"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/662","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"conservative, and she came in for some criticism from her colleagues and a","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=3506.06,3514.15"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/663","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"great deal from the public.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=3514.15,3516.19"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/664","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"In fact, she had two crosses burned on her yard.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=3516.19,3518.97"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/665","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"She did?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=3518.97,3521.31"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/666","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"She was labeled a liberal over there at that time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=3521.31,3523.73"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/667","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And has been always, and is now.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=3523.73,3528.77"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/668","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Everybody remembers her.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=3528.77,3532.03"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/669","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I just think she's active in the League of Women Voters.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=3532.03,3534.87"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/670","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yes, she was in the League of Women Voters at one time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=3534.87,3537.77"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/671","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"She became quite an ally of the teachers, and the older teachers will remember","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=3537.77,3544.85"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/672","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"her with respect and admiration.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=3544.85,3554.37"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/673","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I've forgotten just what the issues were that brought her into running for the","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=3554.37,3564.26"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/674","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"school board.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=3564.26,3565.94"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/675","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I don't know whether the business had begun to creep in by that time or","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=3565.94,3572.1"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/676","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"not.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=3572.1,3573.0"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/677","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dr. Kimmerer was on the school board at one time, too, about this time, I","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=3573.0,3577.54"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/678","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"think.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=3577.54,3578.76"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/679","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And I think he was liberal also.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=3578.76,3580.64"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/680","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"He was liberal, but I don't remember that he was ever on the board.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=3580.64,3585.6"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/681","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, I am positive.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=3585.6,3587.58"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/682","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, you are positive, and I'm willing to go along with you on that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=3587.58,3594.02"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/683","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"He got a lot of criticism there, as he had at the University of Houston.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=3594.02,3599.86"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/684","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yes, I'm inclined to believe that Ms. Vandiver came on in one of those periods","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=3599.86,3609.51"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/685","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"where the board was considered to be overly conservative.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=3609.51,3613.35"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/686","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But she came on, and then it's been swinging back and forth ever since.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=3613.35,3617.87"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/687","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ever since, right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=3617.87,3619.77"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/688","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, she'd be very interesting.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=3619.77,3621.09"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/689","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Maybe we can talk to her.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=3621.09,3626.7"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/690","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Another thing I'd like to talk about is your service on the city council, 1947","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=3626.7,3632.84"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/691","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"to 49.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=3632.84,3635.08"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/692","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And you were a member of the Citizens' Charter Committee?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=3635.08,3638.96"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/693","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=3638.96,3639.36"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/694","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I had been in the 30s a member of a","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=3639.36,3650.51"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/695","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"commission that worked for several months to propose a new","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=3650.51,3659.93"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/696","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"charter for the city of Houston.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=3659.93,3663.19"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/697","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And we came out, apparently, with what was known as the Houston Plan.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=3663.19,3668.35"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/698","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And it called for, as I recall, a strong mayor, but a city manager too.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=3668.35,3677.15"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/699","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And it was defeated.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=3677.15,3682.06"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/700","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Now, this was the time that there was a manager, a city manager.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=3682.06,3686.78"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/701","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"No, no.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=3686.78,3687.14"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/702","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"No, there wasn't.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=3687.14,3687.76"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/703","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"There was not.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=3687.76,3689.1"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/704","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But this was the old commission form.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=3689.1,3691.74"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/705","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"This was the end of the commission form.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=3691.74,3693.88"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/706","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We were criticized.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=3693.88,3694.44"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/707","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"This was at the end of the commission form.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=3694.44,3696.8"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/708","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And we were critical.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=3696.8,3697.94"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/709","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yes, we were critical.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=3697.94,3701.0"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/710","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Not unanimously critical.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=3701.0,3702.92"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/711","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I mean, we just came up with a substitute.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=3702.92,3707.48"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/712","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And it was defeated.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=3707.48,3713.57"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/713","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That was in the 30s.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=3713.57,3715.51"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/714","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Late 30s, 38.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=3715.51,3720.72"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/715","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I've forgotten at the moment who was the mayor and who was the chairman of","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=3720.72,3727.03"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/716","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"that commission.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=3727.03,3728.29"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/717","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But I'd like to get back into the records and have my memory sharpened up","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=3728.29,3736.75"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/718","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"about that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=3736.75,3737.35"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/719","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Have that with me.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=3737.35,3740.93"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/720","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But later, in 42, the Citizens Charter","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=3740.93,3749.35"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/721","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Committee, headed by Mrs. Frankie Randolph, who","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=3749.35,3759.71"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/722","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"had, by that time, begun to do precinct work on a broad scale.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=3759.71,3769.91"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/723","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"They managed to put over, politically, the city manager, the charter","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=3769.91,3778.58"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/724","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"for the city manager plan.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=3778.58,3782.28"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/725","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And that's when Otis Massey, in the mayor, with","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=3782.28,3791.23"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/726","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"a man named Edie, the experienced city manager, holding that post.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=3791.23,3801.68"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/727","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And they lasted for two terms.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=3801.68,3804.53"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/728","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"42, re-elected 44, coming","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=3804.53,3814.42"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/729","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"up again in 46.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=3814.42,3817.37"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/730","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I came back from the Navy for senior public welfare.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=3817.37,3825.08"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/731","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Instead of running for full-time public office, although I had thought about","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=3825.08,3833.24"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/732","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"it, but realizing I had to get back in the, find my way back into","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=3833.24,3839.72"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/733","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"an executive position in the bank.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=3839.72,3843.08"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/734","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And I was still not a city manager man to the extent of doing away","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=3843.08,3852.36"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/735","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"with a strong mayor.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=3852.36,3854.54"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/736","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I thought we ought to have a full-time mayor with authority.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=3854.54,3860.54"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/737","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But they needed candidates.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=3860.54,3863.8"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/738","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And I agreed, under pressure from Mrs. Nina Cullinan and Mrs. Fred Lummis, to","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=3863.8,3873.86"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/739","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"run, to go on the city's Citizens Charter Committee's ticket.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=3873.86,3888.34"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/740","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We had a, I think Mr. Jefferson, Holder Jefferson, was our candidate for the","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=3888.34,3897.8"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/741","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"mayor's.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=3897.8,3901.0"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/742","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And we had a full slate, including","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=3901.0,3911.16"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/743","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"one holdover, Clyde Fitzgerald, holdover from the city","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=3911.16,3920.75"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/744","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"manager's board.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=3920.75,3924.86"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/745","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"How did they come out in the race?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=3924.86,3927.6"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/746","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Fitzgerald was re-elected, and I was the only one of the new ones.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=3927.6,3937.68"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/747","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And Mr. Hawthorne and his slate took office.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=3937.68,3942.62"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/748","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And within a year, they did away with the city manager, form of government back","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=3942.62,3950.08"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/749","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"to a strong mayor with a city council, as","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=3950.08,3960.21"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/750","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"it is composed now.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=3960.21,3962.11"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/751","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"They ran by districts, then?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=3962.11,3964.11"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/752","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yes, three at large, and five.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=3964.11,3972.83"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/753","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I was in that large candidate, by the way.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=3972.83,3976.13"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/754","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Why do you think you won?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=3976.13,3984.01"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/755","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, I had the notoriety because of having been on the torpedoed ship.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=3984.01,3992.33"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/756","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Popular name.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=3992.33,3993.55"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/757","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The name had become well known.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=3993.55,4001.14"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/758","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I wasn't in a faction.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=4001.14,4002.9"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/759","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I mean, I had no factional or geographic support or anything of that kind.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=4002.9,4010.8"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/760","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Did you campaign vigorously?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=4010.8,4012.82"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/761","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Oh, I campaigned.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=4012.82,4013.64"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/762","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"There was no real vigorous campaigning.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=4013.64,4017.44"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/763","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I made speeches around.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=4017.44,4019.24"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/764","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I was well known to the blacks of Houston and Fayetteville and all.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=4019.24,4024.78"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/765","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"What kind of connection there?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=4024.78,4026.7"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/766","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, I was on the school board, and I had served on the interracial commission","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=4026.7,4034.18"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/767","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"that operated under the Chamber of Commerce in those days, and then later died.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=4034.18,4043.04"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/768","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"What did you call the name of the committee, the interracial?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=4043.04,4046.98"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/769","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The Houston Interracial Committee.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=4046.98,4052.93"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/770","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"There's a Mrs. Croit, Mrs. C-R-A-T-E, of Houston.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=4052.93,4060.87"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/771","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"If she's still alive, I've kept the records of that committee.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=4060.87,4072.28"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/772","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So you had the support of the blacks.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=4072.28,4074.4"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/773","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I was half white and half black.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=4074.4,4076.96"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/774","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And you probably had the support of the business community.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=4076.96,4079.5"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/775","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I think, yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=4079.5,4081.18"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/776","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Through your connection with the bank.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=4081.18,4084.2"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/777","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And your popularity as a...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=4084.2,4087.0"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/778","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, in general, as a naval veteran, an old Houstonian, and then...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=4087.0,4092.22"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/779","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And I served two valuable years, valuable for me, but I became","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=4092.22,4101.92"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/780","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"a close friend of Mr. Hawkins, whom I had never supported and not supported in","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=4101.92,4109.02"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/781","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"the past.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=4109.02,4109.6"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/782","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Oh, he was a strong mayor.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=4109.6,4113.52"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/783","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"He was a strong mayor and an experienced municipal manager.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=4113.52,4121.899"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/784","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"He combined his own personality.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=4121.899,4124.2"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/785","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yes, he did.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=4124.2,4125.6"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/786","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And I came to be a great admirer of his, and he was good enough","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=4125.6,4130.0"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/787","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"to say that I had served acceptably as a councilman.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=4130.0,4136.66"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/788","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But I had to get back into my full-time, give full-time to my","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=4136.66,4142.14"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/789","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"profession.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=4142.14,4142.319"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/790","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Did the city council at that time take that much time off?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=4142.319,4150.06"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/791","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I don't know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=4150.06,4152.06"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/792","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It was distinctly part-time, and yet we found ourselves taking more and more.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=4152.06,4159.26"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/793","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, this is the complaint of the day, of course.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=4159.26,4161.279"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/794","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And then politics, of course, are more political.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=4161.279,4162.88"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/795","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And we were paid miserably.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=4162.88,4165.92"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/796","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It was a phenomenal compensation.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=4165.92,4170.72"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/797","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Not for your time, do you think?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=4170.72,4171.84"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/798","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"No.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=4171.84,4172.84"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/799","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Because I'm sure it would take more than that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=4172.84,4175.12"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/800","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We finally had offices and a secretary.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=4175.12,4179.64"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/801","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"You were in the new city hall at that time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=4179.64,4182.359"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/802","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Oh, yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=4182.359,4184.16"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/803","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The current city hall had been built.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=4184.16,4187.58"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/804","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And there was plenty of room there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=4187.58,4190.12"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/805","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"They had rented out the old market city hall to the bus company.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=4190.12,4198.79"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/806","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, we talked about...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=4198.79,4201.39"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/807","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Go ahead.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=4201.39,4201.95"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/808","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Something else about the city council?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=4201.95,4204.35"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/809","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"No.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=4204.35,4205.87"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/810","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I just was about to say, I think you've extracted about everything I know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=4205.87,4212.37"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/811","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I went down here to see something on baseball, and you had explained that about","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=4212.37,4217.75"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/812","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"how you played it as a youth.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=4217.75,4219.33"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/813","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, if you want to go on, I can tell you about the fact that","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=4219.33,4228.68"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/814","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"my first civic activity was in the Houston Recreationist Association, which","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=4228.68,4237.86"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/815","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"later became the Recreation Department of the city of Houston.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=4237.86,4240.98"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/816","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It was a private activity with Miss Corinne Fondy as the paid","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=4240.98,4250.56"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/817","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"director.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=4250.56,4255.52"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/818","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ladies like Mrs. Jane J.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=4255.52,4258.44"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/819","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Baker and Mrs. F.M. Law and others were the leaders of it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=4258.44,4263.1"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/820","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Instrumental in getting support for it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=4263.1,4265.88"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/821","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yes, private support.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=4265.88,4268.34"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/822","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"My job was in the athletic end of that activity.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=4268.34,4277.58"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/823","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It consisted primarily of finding baseball fields for many teams of all ages,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=4277.58,4286.08"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/824","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"age groups, to play on.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=4286.08,4288.9"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/825","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And my best ally, closest ally, was Andy Anderson, a sports writer for the","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=4288.9,4295.66"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/826","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Houston Post, later for the Houston Press.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=4295.66,4300.09"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/827","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And we would find vacant lots that were easily accessible, get a little money","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=4300.09,4307.09"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/828","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"together and hire a Mr. Higginbotham with a mule and a grader to clear off","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=4307.09,4315.53"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/829","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"the land and to level it off and mark out the baseline.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=4315.53,4320.89"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/830","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That was just all done, made the fields available without charge.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=4320.89,4328.51"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/831","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And from there we went on into the broad activity.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=4328.51,4333.89"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/832","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We organized the Houston Amateur Baseball Association.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=4333.89,4338.13"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/833","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We were, which I was present, I think, on.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=4338.13,4342.93"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/834","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"F.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=4342.93,4343.27"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/835","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Meyer joined us and he was present for a while.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=4343.27,4346.31"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/836","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Miss Dachner, the Texaco.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=4346.31,4350.17"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/837","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We were instrumental in joining, in helping the formation of the Texas Amateur","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=4350.17,4358.43"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/838","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Athletic Federation, I believe we called it, which had to do with amateur","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=4358.43,4364.39"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/839","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"tournaments around the state on the scale of the interscholastic league.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=4364.39,4371.97"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/840","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I imagine that's, they were representatives from various cities, San Antonio,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=4371.97,4379.07"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/841","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dallas, Fort Worth, Waco.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=4379.07,4383.63"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/842","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And gradually, of course, it became a city activity and I was well","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=4383.63,4392.64"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/843","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"-staffed.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=4392.64,4394.08"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/844","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"A great Dix Riley was under Miss Fondi, the head of the athletic end of","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=4394.08,4401.18"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/845","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=4401.18,4402.34"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/846","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And then I drifted out of that into numerous other civic activities.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=4402.34,4408.64"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/847","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But I like to think that my final big one had to do with finding","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=4408.64,4415.56"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/848","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"a baseball endowment.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=4415.56,4418.72"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/849","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And that was as chairman of the Harris County Board of Park Commissioners,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=4418.72,4423.8"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/850","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"which was charged with the responsibility of getting a stadium for a big league","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=4423.8,4431.44"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/851","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"team to play in.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=4431.44,4435.1"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/852","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And it was to be done by a revenue bond under a statute that we","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=4435.1,4441.38"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/853","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"had, a group of us had, persuaded Senator Seysse Bracewell to put through the","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=4441.38,4448.22"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/854","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"legislature.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=4448.22,4449.06"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/855","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And it involved doing so by revenue bonds only.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=4449.06,4453.28"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/856","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, you couldn't get a franchise without having a place for the team to play","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=4453.28,4460.06"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/857","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"in.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=4460.06,4461.24"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/858","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And you couldn't get a stadium without having a franchise.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=4461.24,4468.48"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/859","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So we had two years of activity in which we did spend $10,000 given","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=4468.48,4477.1"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/860","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"to us by the Fat Stock Show and the Houston Sports Association, a group headed","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=4477.1,4484.36"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/861","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"by Craig Cullinan, who was trying to get the franchise.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=4484.36,4488.86"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/862","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And with that money, we hired engineers and architects, Wilson, Crane, and","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=4488.86,4497.62"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/863","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Anderson, and Lloyd, and Marvis, and got an engineering firm to give us","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=4497.62,4509.93"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/864","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"preliminary ideas of a stadium and to make site studies.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=4509.93,4521.98"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/865","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And although some people wanted to place the stadium in Memorial Park and I'm","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=4521.98,4529.94"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/866","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"of, who had a revolutionary interest, said definitely no.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=4529.94,4534.74"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/867","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I was never in favor of that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=4534.74,4539.1"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/868","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And the site where the stadium now is was my favorite from the beginning.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=4539.1,4545.16"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/869","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And then when the citizens of Houston took enough interest to vote tax","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=4545.16,4551.32"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/870","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"-supported bonds to build the stadium, the Harris County Board of Park","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=4551.32,4557.44"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/871","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Commissioners passed out of existence because then the Harris County, with its","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=4557.44,4562.88"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/872","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"own engineers and construction people, were able to proceed from that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=4562.88,4569.06"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/873","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But we did go to the point of getting options on the site.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=4569.06,4578.52"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/874","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And in our meetings, one of our commissioners, a very able man named Evan","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=4578.52,4584.18"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/875","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Allen, brought a scratch pad and came up with little sketches of his own","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=4584.18,4591.94"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/876","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"dreams.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=4591.94,4593.58"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/877","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And he told us from the start that it would have to have a roof","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=4593.58,4597.08"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/878","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"on it and that it would have to be used for other sports than baseball","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=4597.08,4601.26"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/879","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and that he thought that by sections, seats could be pulled by tractor on","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=4601.26,4608.6"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/880","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"tracks and brought around to the 50-yard line for football.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=4608.6,4612.58"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/881","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Baseball seats on the third baseline and the first baseline.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=4612.58,4619.2"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/882","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And so the architects took his ideas and began to develop them.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=4619.2,4627.7"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/883","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And then in dealing for the site, I approached Bob Smith, who owned 62 Acres,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=4627.7,4637.64"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/884","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and he referred me to his real estate associate, Roy Hoffheins.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=4637.64,4641.94"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/885","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And that's when Mr. Hoffheins came in and he saw these sketches and he had","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=4641.94,4646.52"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/886","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"a model built.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=4646.52,4648.18"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/887","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"He took it up from there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=4648.18,4650.92"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/888","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"He laid the groundwork for all of them.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=4650.92,4653.88"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/889","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So I feel that I started with baseball and ended with baseball.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=4653.88,4658.92"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/890","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yes, the first dome stadium.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=4658.92,4662.62"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/891","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I remember all that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=4662.62,4663.3"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/892","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I had a lot of criticism.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=4663.3,4664.92"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/893","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It was a nice place to go.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=4664.92,4666.54"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/894","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It certainly had been a great asset to Houston.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=4666.54,4671.52"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/895","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And it was just before it was too late.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=4671.52,4676.01"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/896","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, I think that's it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=4676.01,4678.27"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/897","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I think we can start.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464#t=4678.27,4679.55"}]},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["English [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215464/transcript/71140/annotation/898","type":"Annotation","motivation":"subtitling","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/file_transcripts/associated_files/000/071/140/original/transcript_1727314166.vtt20240925-46925-5pcst6.vtt20240925-46925-5pcst6?1727314167","format":"text/vtt","language":"en"},"target":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/file_transcripts/associated_files/000/071/140/original/transcript_1727314166.vtt20240925-46925-5pcst6.vtt20240925-46925-5pcst6?1727314167"}]}]},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465","type":"Canvas","label":{"en":["Media File 2 of 2 - OH0093B-WAKirkland.mp4"]},"duration":4473.876,"width":640,"height":360,"thumbnail":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/collection_resource_files/thumbnails/000/215/465/small/open-uri20231108-480-ha686p_1699463256.jpg?1699445259","type":"Image","format":"image/jpeg"}],"items":[{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/content/1","type":"AnnotationPage","items":[{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/content/2/annotation/1","type":"Annotation","motivation":"painting","body":{"id":"https://aviary-p-houstonlibrary.s3.wasabisys.com/collection_resource_files/resource_files/000/215/465/original/OH0093B-WAKirkland.mp4?1699445254","type":"Video","format":"video/mp4","duration":4473.876,"width":640,"height":360},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465","metadata":[]}]}],"annotations":[{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["OH0093B-WAKirkland [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/1","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And when you want to, if you pause, let's say you want to think for","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=6.04,9.74"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"a moment, you can just...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=9.74,15.78"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"This is a get-together in honor of the old Houston Golf Club by","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=15.78,26.6"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Harold M.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=26.6,27.48"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"McCullough and William A.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=27.48,29.4"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kirkland, both of whom remember the golf course on Fenn-Phillipi Road, which","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=29.4,37.54"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"started there in 1903 or 1904.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=37.54,43.46"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Harold, just how did we get there?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=43.46,49.18"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"How did we get to that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=49.18,50.68"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We went out to Sandhill Pass, which is now Dallas.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=50.68,53.5"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We went out to Sandhill, which is now Dallas.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=53.5,56.5"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But now we call it West Dallas, that's right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=56.5,60.4"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And a block past the cemetery and then turn to the right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=60.4,64.459"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, what we did was go out in a buggy out to Dallas.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=64.459,72.48"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And just about where Smith would have come through, Sandhill-Phillipi Road, a","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=72.48,80.32"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"historic entry into Houston, went off at an angle to the west.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=80.32,90.22"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And it went through some residences on both sides of that road, the","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=90.22,100.14"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Houston Macaroni Factory, there about where Brazos would have come through.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=100.14,107.94"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And went on to Heiner Street, which is now an exit from 610,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=107.94,119.36"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and becomes Bagby going southward.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=119.36,126.62"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Beyond Heiner Street, Sandhill-Phillipi Road, went to the Founders' Cemetery,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=126.62,135.5"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"so-called, jogged around it, and then proceeded a block or so before reaching","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=135.5,144.1"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"an ordinary wooden gate that you opened to get into the Country Club grounds.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=144.1,155.7"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Accounts of the club speak of a clubhouse that was built.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=155.7,166.66"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"What do you remember about that clubhouse, Harold?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=166.66,169.7"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"All I know is Minion Otto ran it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=169.7,172.24"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Minion Otto ran it for the club?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=172.24,174.78"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"For the club.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=174.78,175.46"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, don't you remember any of the appointments?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=175.46,177.72"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Did it have a locker room?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=177.72,181.06"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Did it serve any food?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=181.06,183.42"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yeah, they served food.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=183.42,184.46"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It had a dining room.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=184.46,188.2"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Because this was a party they gave for these professionals from England.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=188.2,193.48"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wasn't there a room in which they had parties, in which the wives were invited?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=193.48,199.48"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That I don't remember.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=199.48,201.0"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, you do remember because you told me about people coming out in a tally hole.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=201.0,209.66"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yeah, they came out in a tally","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=209.66,212.16"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Men and women going to a party, got a sort of a gay...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=212.16,219.6"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"They had one big living room, and that's where they served the meal, under this party hill.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=219.6,224.62"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And they used the big living room as a place to dance or whatnot.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=224.62,230.4"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Harold, the accounts that we've read in the little anniversary books of the","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=230.4,238.36"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Houston Country Club, of its predecessor club, says that they built","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=238.36,248.34"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"that clubhouse.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=248.34,249.58"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But as you and I remember, that wasn't any new house.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=249.58,253.5"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/46","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"They just converted some farmhouse or just a residence into clubhouse use.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=253.5,265.42"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"There are in existence several photographs, two or three of which are in the","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=265.42,274.49"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Houston Country Club library, showing members seated on the front steps of the clubhouse.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=274.49,284.01"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/49","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And we are looking at one right now.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=284.01,287.71"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/50","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And I wish you'd explain what the occasion is, Harold.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=287.71,292.13"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/51","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It was entertaining three professionals from England who came here to...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=292.13,299.07"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/52","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Were they the first instructors, more or less, that we ever had?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=299.07,303.63"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/53","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I think they came here to instruct them how to play golf.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=303.63,306.11"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/54","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The golf players up to that time were just doing the best they could.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=306.11,310.37"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/55","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"You don't remember the names of any of those people.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=310.37,312.69"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/56","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"His first name was Mack something.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=312.69,314.55"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/57","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That's all I know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=314.55,315.65"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/58","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Some Scotchman, and he gave you a...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=315.65,317.87"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/59","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"A mashie.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=317.87,318.51"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/60","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"A mashie, as it was known in those days.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=318.51,321.47"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/61","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"There are several interesting faces that you can recognize.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=321.47,327.97"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/62","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yeah, Jesse Jones.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=327.97,329.69"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/63","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jesse Jones, A.W. Pollard.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=329.69,333.27"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/64","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dillingham.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=333.27,334.61"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/65","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"E.K.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=334.61,336.41"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/66","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Arthur Cargill.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=336.41,338.67"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/67","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Charlie Golding.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=338.67,341.01"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/68","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"B.A. Baldwin, right there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=341.01,342.95"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/69","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"B.A. Baldwin.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=342.95,344.21"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/70","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Boone Gross.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=344.21,346.11"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/71","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Commodore Hood.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=346.11,350.19"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/72","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Billy Hunt.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=350.19,352.17"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/73","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"One of the Hamlins.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=352.17,357.39"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/74","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And a lot of little boys who may have been...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=357.39,360.51"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/75","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Caddies.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=360.51,362.17"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/76","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But I don't see you in there, Harold.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=362.17,364.03"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/77","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"You spent a lot of your spare time in there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=364.03,365.43"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/78","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I don't know why I wasn't in there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=365.43,366.21"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/79","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The other pictures, I'm right out in front.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=366.21,368.71"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/80","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Oh, yes, ladies in the picture.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=368.71,371.87"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/81","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Mrs. Pollard.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=371.87,373.11"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/82","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ms. Golding.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=373.11,375.55"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/83","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The ones I see.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=375.55,376.71"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/84","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Is your mother there, Harold?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=376.71,378.01"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/85","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I don't recognize her.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=378.01,381.21"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/86","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Reservation.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=381.21,384.67"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/87","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The house and the people that we could spot, including, by the way, Mr. Tom","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=384.67,390.71"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/88","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ball.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=390.71,392.93"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/89","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Let's talk about the course itself.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=392.93,395.97"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/90","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"What do you remember about the golf course?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=395.97,398.69"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/91","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It was a nine-hole course.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=398.69,400.19"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/92","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It was a nine-hole course, and the first tee...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=400.19,402.85"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/93","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Was across the ditch.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=402.85,405.69"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/94","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Was probably, you might say, in the southeast corner of the track, near the San","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=405.69,411.89"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/95","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Felipe Road.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=411.89,412.67"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/96","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Near the San","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=412.67,413.93"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/97","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And you drove toward the bayou, didn't you?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=413.93,416.07"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/98","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"No.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=416.07,416.91"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/99","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Parallel to the bayou.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=416.91,418.33"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/100","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We went way back here, and then swinging around.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=418.33,421.67"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/101","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I see.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=421.67,424.51"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/102","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"You were driving due west.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=424.51,426.83"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/103","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"You were driving west?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=426.83,428.37"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/104","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Due west, I don't know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=428.37,429.37"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/105","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I don't see how that could be.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=429.37,430.67"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/106","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"At any rate, the property line on that first fairway was","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=430.67,442.36"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/107","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"lined with small houses, as I remember.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=442.36,445.3"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/108","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The district.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=445.3,445.98"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/109","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Red Light District.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=445.98,447.2"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/110","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"What were the houses?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=447.2,448.82"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/111","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Little O'Shantys.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=448.82,451.14"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/112","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And these little girls would stand on the porch and wave to the boys, and","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=451.14,454.44"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/113","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I didn't know why they were waving.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=454.44,455.42"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/114","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"They wouldn't wave back.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=455.42,458.1"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/115","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"You mean each house had a girl or two on the porch, and they would","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=458.1,465.34"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/116","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"wave to the golf players.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=465.34,466.92"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/117","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"They wouldn't wave back.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=466.92,467.9"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/118","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The boys wouldn't wave back, so there was no suggestion that they knew each","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=467.9,473.86"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/119","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"other.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=473.86,478.13"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/120","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, do you remember enough to say where the other hold was, 2nd, 3rd, 4th,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=478.13,484.79"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/121","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"5th, and so forth?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=484.79,486.01"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/122","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I remember 9 was coming across the present-day Memorial Drive, North Memorial","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=486.01,491.17"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/123","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Drive, over a cliff.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=491.17,494.39"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/124","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Oh, you mean there on Memorial Drive now, where the...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=494.39,500.15"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/125","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, where that new piece of art sits, high on that bluff, then it drops","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=500.15,506.85"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/126","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"off down into the flat.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=506.85,509.47"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/127","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"You know, on the north side of the freeway, there's an open spot there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=509.47,514.27"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/128","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That's where No.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=514.27,515.07"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/129","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"9T was.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=515.07,516.169"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/130","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"9T.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=516.169,516.809"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/131","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, where was No.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=516.809,518.049"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/132","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"8 green?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=518.049,520.21"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/133","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It was...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=520.21,521.09"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/134","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Here's a T.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=521.09,521.69"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/135","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It was about in here.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=521.69,522.909"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/136","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It was up on the top.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=522.909,524.65"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/137","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"In other words, all the play was on top of the flat up there before","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=524.65,531.49"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/138","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"the land fell away toward the bow.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=531.49,535.77"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/139","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That's right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=535.77,536.69"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/140","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But after playing No.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=536.69,538.53"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/141","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"8 green...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=538.53,539.45"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/142","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"You walked down to the T.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=539.45,541.07"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/143","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Walked down to...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=541.07,542.15"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/144","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"You're talking a little louder.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=542.15,545.65"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/145","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"You walked down to the flat, and so your last drive was...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=545.65,553.45"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/146","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Blind.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=553.45,555.07"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/147","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"You couldn't see the green.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=555.07,556.29"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/148","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"You just knew it was up there on top of that...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=556.29,559.89"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/149","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Elevator.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=559.89,560.33"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/150","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Elevator up on the flat.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=560.33,563.93"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/151","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And what are you saying about you and some other boys?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=563.93,570.11"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/152","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Oh, Fred Rice and Dudley Gould and I, we'd have to get those balls to","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=570.11,573.29"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/153","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"drive them so we could play golf.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=573.29,575.39"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/154","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"They couldn't find the balls.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=575.39,579.19"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/155","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Oh, I see.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=579.19,582.63"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/156","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"They'd drive up there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=582.63,583.81"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/157","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Might have a fellow making hole in one, but before he could get up there,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=583.81,587.03"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/158","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"you...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=587.03,587.41"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/159","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"No, he couldn't make a hole in one.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=587.41,588.51"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/160","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"There's a four-par hole.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=588.51,590.73"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/161","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"He'd have a nice drive, go up in the fairway, and he couldn't find his","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=590.73,593.43"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/162","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"ball.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=593.43,594.03"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/163","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I see.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=594.03,596.83"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/164","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"You boarded me behind the bushes or somewhere.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=596.83,600.67"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/165","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And we run out and get...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=600.67,602.09"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/166","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And Fred...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=602.09,603.43"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/167","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Now, we went around and emptied all the beer glasses, the beer they left in","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=603.43,607.03"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/168","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"the glasses, and cigars, and we went down behind a bunker and smoked them.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=607.03,612.79"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/169","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I see.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=612.79,613.61"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/170","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=613.61,614.09"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/171","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Drank the stale beer and smoked the butts.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=614.09,617.85"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/172","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And the calipho had to leave mother out there looking for us, and we were","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=617.85,623.01"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/173","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"sick.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=623.01,623.79"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/174","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We got all the symptoms in the world until we found out how we got","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=623.79,626.79"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/175","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"sick and then they beat the hell out of us.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=626.79,632.98"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/176","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, do you remember any other occasions out there that were worth putting in","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=632.98,640.6"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/177","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"the book?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=640.6,641.22"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/178","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, I gave Max something.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=641.22,641.94"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/179","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"He gave me my first interview.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=641.94,643.38"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/180","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"He gave me my first matchy, which started me playing golf.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=643.38,648.02"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/181","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, now, Mac, we'll stop talking about the Houston Golf Club.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=648.02,654.7"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/182","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But as far as the records show, the members got together at the Salien Club,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=654.7,662.3"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/183","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"which was a downtown gentlemen's club, sort of almost like the Boston Club of","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=662.3,669.16"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/184","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"New Orleans, on that order, and decided they were going to really be serious","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=669.16,676.46"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/185","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"about a golf course.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=676.46,678.72"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/186","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And from that meeting came the determination to have the Houston Country Club.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=678.72,686.7"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/187","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"In July 1908.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=686.7,688.36"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/188","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The club was...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=688.36,689.52"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/189","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"the new club was chartered in July 1908.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=689.52,698.5"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/190","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"In the meantime, a committee went around the...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=698.5,703.9"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/191","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It was approved.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=703.9,704.98"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/192","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Excuse me, Bill, it was approved August 6, 1908.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=704.98,708.6"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/193","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Oh, in August 1908.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=708.6,711.2"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/194","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But they had committees that were going around trying to find the proper site","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=711.2,717.64"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/195","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"for a new golf club.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=717.64,720.02"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/196","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And as I understand it, of course, there had to be somewhere near a bio","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=720.02,726.7"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/197","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"because...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=726.7,727.02"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/198","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"A street call.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=727.02,729.56"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/199","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"They were looking for a variety to the course.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=729.56,732.46"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/200","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"They had to have gullies and drainage ditches, drainage canals that could be","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=732.46,740.08"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/201","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"used for hazards.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=740.08,742.94"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/202","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And so they were looking not only for a bio, but a place that could","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=742.94,747.16"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/203","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"be reached by a street car.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=747.16,749.66"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/204","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We didn't have automobiles.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=749.66,752.14"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/205","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It was a long buggy ride, and so a lot of...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=752.14,755.98"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/206","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"especially the club and the caddies, and a lot of the members had to use","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=755.98,764.4"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/207","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"a street car.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=764.4,767.84"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/208","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And you see, Sims tried to make that a river road and brought all that","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=767.84,771.48"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/209","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"stuff across from it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=771.48,772.32"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/210","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Oh, yes, that's right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=772.32,773.46"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/211","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Louis Thompson was about the only one who built a house out there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=773.46,776.74"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/212","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Mr. Sims and Mr. Thompson both built substantial residencies on what's now","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=776.74,782.46"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/213","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wayside Drive, hoping to make that a choice residential area.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=782.46,789.56"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/214","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It didn't go.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=789.56,791.66"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/215","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The town just naturally leaned to the west.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=791.66,796.34"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/216","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But you know, going back to streetcars, there weren't but three long-reach","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=796.34,804.28"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/217","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"streetcars available then.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=804.28,807.34"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/218","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The Heights, which was in Houston Heights, Texas, another city, and the Main","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=807.34,816.08"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/219","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Street, which stopped at Eagle until the Bel-Air Shuttle was built.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=816.08,820.82"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/220","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And Harrisburg.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=820.82,823.5"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/221","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And that was a good, well-patronized line, and that was one of the factors","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=823.5,830.94"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/222","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"that directed them to their location.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=830.94,833.94"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/223","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It was good and high and dry.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=833.94,835.24"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/224","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Where the municipal park is now.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=835.24,840.6"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/225","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And the Houston Country Club built its new course, and some of its members did","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=840.6,848.13"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/226","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"all the design of the layout.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=848.13,853.53"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/227","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"They continued to improve it and for the 48 years that they used it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=853.53,863.15"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/228","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And when they sold it, when they moved, they sold it to Gus Wortham \u0026","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=863.15,868.81"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/229","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Associates.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=868.81,869.53"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/230","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yeah, \u0026 Associates, because it was a commerce party.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=869.53,873.79"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/231","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And it was operated as a as a as a course","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=873.79,883.54"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/232","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"for as a public course where you paid a fee.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=883.54,890.96"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/233","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And now, finally, the city bought it and operates it as a public course.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=890.96,900.28"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/234","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Before we finish, it might be well to add about the present Houston Country","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=900.28,907.64"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/235","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Club.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=907.64,909.56"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/236","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"In its development out on off of Harrisburg Road, naturally it became a very","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=909.56,918.8"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/237","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"important social center for wedding receptions, for balls, and","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=918.8,929.56"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/238","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"other big social events.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=929.56,933.48"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/239","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"There was they had tennis courts, but no swimming pool.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=933.48,942.02"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/240","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"They were the board of directors authorized the building of a swimming pool and","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=942.02,948.48"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/241","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"put a put a limit on the money to be spent.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=948.48,952.82"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/242","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But the president took to bitting his teeth and built a magnificent pool.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=952.82,960.36"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/243","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It cost a whole lot more than he'd been authorized to spend.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=960.36,964.98"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/244","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And it turned out to be one of the most important investments made to that","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=964.98,973.2"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/245","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"property.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=973.2,975.18"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/246","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Because it perpetuated the life of the Houston Country Club for another 15","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=975.18,979.48"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/247","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"years at that site because wonderful parties were held around the pool at","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=979.48,988.5"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/248","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"night.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=988.5,989.12"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/249","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It was very colorful and gay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=989.12,993.28"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/250","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And if it hadn't had the pool where the club would have...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=993.28,996.44"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/251","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, the club was just a center no doubt about it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=996.44,1002.48"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/252","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So it was with a good deal of regret that that pool and some of","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=1002.48,1006.8"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/253","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"the other important features of the old club had to be abandoned when they made","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=1006.8,1013.44"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/254","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"the very necessary move out on Woodway.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=1013.44,1023.52"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/255","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Before we close up this this little interview, it might be well to note that","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=1023.52,1030.74"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/256","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Harold McCullough sitting here with me is the only man alive who played all","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=1030.74,1039.66"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/257","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"three of the Houston Country Club courses, including, of course, as the first","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=1039.66,1045.859"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/258","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"one, the course out on San Felipe of the Houston Golf Club.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=1045.859,1063.99"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/259","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"August 30th, 1979.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=1063.99,1067.31"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/260","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Interview with Mr. William Kirkland.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=1067.31,1069.91"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/261","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Mr. Kirkland, in one of our previous interviews one of the interviews that one","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=1069.91,1074.23"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/262","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"of my colleagues conducted with you, we discussed in some detail your early","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=1074.23,1079.07"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/263","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"life, your early experiences here in Houston.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=1079.07,1082.37"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/264","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So now what I would like to do is discuss with you the period when","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=1082.37,1088.17"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/265","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"you returned from the East and entered business here.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=1088.17,1091.69"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/266","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And I would like to discuss with you in particular the perceptions that you","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=1091.69,1097.49"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/267","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"have of how it changed from that period to approximately","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=1097.49,1109.01"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/268","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"1950, 1948, somewhere in there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=1109.01,1112.67"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/269","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Now when you returned from school you entered the banking business.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=1112.67,1116.29"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/270","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Is that correct?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=1116.29,1117.03"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/271","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yes, I spent one term at the University of Texas in the fall of 1919","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=1117.03,1123.17"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/272","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"in a law school and then resigned from that and on the 1st of February","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=1123.17,1129.83"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/273","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"1920 I went to work as a clerk in the First National Bank.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=1129.83,1140.12"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/274","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Because I had grown up here it didn't take me long to get reacquainted with","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=1140.12,1148.96"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/275","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"the people that seemed to be the leading citizens.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=1148.96,1155.08"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/276","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And I think at that time Captain James A.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=1155.08,1157.66"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/277","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Baker of the family Baker Box was the number one civic leader from","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=1157.66,1168.82"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/278","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"a business standpoint primarily.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=1168.82,1172.22"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/279","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And his family was socially in the leading group too.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=1172.22,1177.64"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/280","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But his farm represented the big interests of the day which were the railroads,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=1177.64,1185.28"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/281","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"the utilities, the gas company, the light company, the telephone company.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=1185.28,1196.0"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/282","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And even as early as that though Mr. Jesse Jones was","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=1196.0,1205.64"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/283","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"beginning to make his his mark on the business scene.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=1205.64,1215.06"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/284","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And I don't know just when it happened but Jesse Jones was in the American","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=1215.06,1222.26"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/285","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Red Cross in World War I and he came back and started some of his","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=1222.26,1229.4"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/286","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"building activities.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=1229.4,1234.68"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/287","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"President Hoover appointed him to the RFC board and I guess 1931","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=1234.68,1245.26"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/288","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"or 1932 at some point there perhaps Franklin","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=1245.26,1255.54"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/289","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Roosevelt by his appointment he was made chairman of the Reconstruction Finance","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=1255.54,1262.98"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/290","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Committee.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=1262.98,1265.23"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/291","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Let me ask you this.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=1265.23,1266.37"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/292","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"He was then I mean that stamped him as and even before he went to","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=1266.37,1273.47"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/293","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"the RFC he was the one who headed off a banking crisis in I think","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=1273.47,1281.71"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/294","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"1931 when he had his two all-night meetings with the business leaders of","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=1281.71,1289.49"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/295","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Houston.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=1289.49,1290.59"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/296","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And saved the situation which involved the","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=1290.59,1301.07"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/297","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"possible collapse of two of the downtown banks.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=1301.07,1307.05"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/298","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"All right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=1307.05,1307.87"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/299","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I want to definitely I haven't got the date exact in my mind.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=1307.87,1312.11"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/300","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I'm just coming off the cuff but I think that's what it was.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=1312.11,1315.97"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/301","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I've got it in my book.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=1315.97,1320.33"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/302","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Let me go back just for a moment and ask you a little more about","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=1320.33,1324.67"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/303","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Captain Baker and his associates.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=1324.67,1328.55"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/304","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Who else besides Captain Baker at that time that very early period that you're","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=1328.55,1332.83"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/305","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"talking about was influential in the city who were perhaps not only prominent","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=1332.83,1341.07"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/306","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"in business but who exerted influence in politics.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=1341.07,1351.11"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/307","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well it was just it was before the days of Oscar Harkin.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=1351.11,1354.47"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/308","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=1354.47,1355.29"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/309","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The local politics.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=1355.29,1357.71"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/310","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Mr. Camel and Mr. Ammerman had been mayors.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=1357.71,1361.03"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/311","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"They were both strong men.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=1361.03,1377.57"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/312","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The lawyer Tom Ball who had run for governor unsuccessfully was in the firm of","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=1377.57,1386.35"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/313","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrews Ball and Streetman was an important figure.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=1386.35,1392.39"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/314","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"As a matter of fact Frank Andrews the head of that firm was","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=1392.39,1403.1"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/315","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"a close associate of that group headed by Ian House that ran state politics","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=1403.1,1412.89"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/316","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"for a period in there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=1412.89,1428.27"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/317","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I really can't I really can't remember John T.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=1428.27,1432.73"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/318","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Scott who was president of the First National Bank was an important figure in","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=1432.73,1439.11"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/319","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"business and in civic affairs.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=1439.11,1445.81"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/320","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Did you know some of these men personally?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=1445.81,1448.51"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/321","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Oh yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=1448.51,1452.15"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/322","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I knew them all because I knew I had known my father.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=1452.15,1456.29"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/323","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"He died in 1914.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=1456.29,1459.39"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/324","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But and I grew up with their sons.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=1459.39,1462.83"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/325","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"For instance Captain Baker's partners at that time were Parker and Garwood.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=1462.83,1470.21"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/326","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"They were both great lawyers.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=1470.21,1474.63"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/327","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And I knew their I knew Parker's son and Garwood's two sons and their their","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=1474.63,1482.35"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/328","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"wives.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=1482.35,1488.62"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/329","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I wasn't as keen on the on watching the political scene then as I am","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=1488.62,1494.98"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/330","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"now.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=1494.98,1497.9"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/331","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But going back to leadership I I can say that I saw the mantle slip","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=1497.9,1507.02"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/332","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"from Captain Baker's shoulders onto the shoulders of Jesse Jones and then from","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=1507.02,1512.72"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/333","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jesse Jones to Judge Elkins.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=1512.72,1516.56"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/334","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And then you might say we've got the George Brown and Gus Weatham as top","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=1516.56,1525.44"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/335","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"men in Houston with influence.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=1525.44,1529.86"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/336","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"How did men like Captain Baker look upon a newcomer like Jesse Jones?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=1529.86,1539.33"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/337","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I suppose what I'm asking was the mantle given over gracefully?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=1539.33,1544.09"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/338","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Gracefully?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=1544.09,1545.17"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/339","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"No, I think begrudgingly.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=1545.17,1547.59"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/340","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"As a matter of fact Mr. Jones and","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=1547.59,1558.63"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/341","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I came to admire him very much indeed was not he was looked upon as","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=1558.63,1567.53"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/342","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"a as a young young bull and maybe willing to cut a corner or two","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=1567.53,1577.47"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/343","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"in the early days.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=1577.47,1581.33"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/344","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And so the old the old fellas Captain Baker and his contemporaries were","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=1581.33,1592.43"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/345","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"slow to to give him full acceptance.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=1592.43,1596.53"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/346","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"He had been involved in the Union National Bank with with the Rices William M.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=1596.53,1602.73"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/347","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rice and Captain Joe Rice who was the president.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=1602.73,1608.37"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/348","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And they had a falling out which which pushed Jesse aside for a little","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=1608.37,1618.16"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/349","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"bit socially.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=1618.16,1619.36"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/350","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"What was the falling out of that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=1619.36,1620.58"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/351","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I don't know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=1620.58,1621.44"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/352","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I think it was a business matter nothing that had to do maybe with the","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=1621.44,1626.38"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/353","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"control of the bank.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=1626.38,1629.9"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/354","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And that was before he decided to buy the God, was it the National City","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=1629.9,1637.68"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/355","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bank that he bought and changed to the National Bank of Commonwealth?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=1637.68,1645.38"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/356","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"During what years did you perceive the the transition in leadership?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=1645.38,1653.7"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/357","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I suppose when did Jesse Jones begin to exert an active role?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=1653.7,1659.4"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/358","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"When he came back from Washington.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=1659.4,1663.0"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/359","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Oh, even even before that he was he had established himself as a as a","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=1663.0,1670.14"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/360","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"business leader.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=1670.14,1673.4"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/361","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And he it was a magnificent job he did in saving those banks.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=1673.4,1681.9"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/362","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Now this is going into the 30s now we're talking.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=1681.9,1683.76"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/363","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yeah, that's Okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=1683.76,1686.2"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/364","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I I don't know all the the steps in the 20s or the just exactly","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=1686.2,1692.5"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/365","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"what he did.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=1692.5,1693.9"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/366","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Because he had his lumberyard at the corner of Maine and McKinney where the CNI","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=1693.9,1699.72"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/367","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"building is now.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=1699.72,1704.53"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/368","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And I I've forgotten just when that was torn down.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=1704.53,1708.09"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/369","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But after after he came back from Washington he was he was tops in the","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=1708.09,1714.87"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/370","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"town.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=1714.87,1716.53"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/371","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"As long as his health and strength remained.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=1716.53,1726.48"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/372","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I'm trying to think I would say in in around 50 to 51 he began","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=1726.48,1736.3"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/373","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"to exert less influence.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=1736.3,1739.76"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/374","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"He was still a strong figure.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=1739.76,1744.54"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/375","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"By reputation I think he he was beginning his age was beginning to tell on","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=1744.54,1750.02"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/376","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"him a little bit.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=1750.02,1753.0"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/377","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"When you say that the leadership role was given over to him rather reluctantly","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=1753.0,1759.6"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/378","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"how do you mean?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=1759.6,1761.72"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/379","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"How was it?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=1761.72,1762.44"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/380","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It wasn't given it just assumed.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=1762.44,1764.4"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/381","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"No, no.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=1764.4,1766.02"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/382","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It just that other law firms began to challenge Baker Barts.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=1766.02,1773.62"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/383","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The old captain was was himself getting older and that the same thing happened","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=1773.62,1780.76"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/384","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"to Baker that later happened to Jones.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=1780.76,1783.92"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/385","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And then to Elkins.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=1783.92,1788.66"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/386","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Elkins was a more political figure than either one of the others.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=1788.66,1794.5"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/387","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That isn't to say that Captain Baker's law firm wasn't well represented in all","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=1794.5,1800.78"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/388","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"political circles.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=1800.78,1803.56"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/389","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And the same thing would be true of the other law firms.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=1803.56,1807.36"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/390","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But Benson Elkins was just coming along and of course and Judge Elkins was more","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=1807.36,1812.04"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/391","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"of a political animal himself.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=1812.04,1815.1"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/392","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"A very able one.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=1815.1,1817.96"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/393","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Was there any difference in the direction of political support that say Baker","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=1817.96,1823.2"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/394","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"gave as opposed to Jesse Jones?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=1823.2,1825.48"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/395","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I wouldn't know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=1825.48,1828.88"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/396","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Of course we know that Judge Elkins made him think that he was through","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=1828.88,1838.68"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/397","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"his some of his associates in his firm and his close friendship with him and","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=1838.68,1847.22"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/398","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Brown got to be equally close to Lyndon","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=1847.22,1856.98"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/399","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Johnson and Albert Thomas who was close to the","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=1856.98,1866.37"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/400","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Browns but he had been a classmate at Rice with George Brown.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=1866.37,1874.09"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/401","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Of course Jesse had helped his brother-in-law to be our","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=1874.09,1883.93"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/402","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"congressman I don't know how many times I'm trying to think of his name Garrett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=1883.93,1895.64"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/403","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Mr. Garrett married to Mr. Jones' sister First","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=1895.64,1907.48"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/404","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"name escapes me for the moment.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=1907.48,1909.88"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/405","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well that's you can always find it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=1909.88,1916.22"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/406","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"You mentioned before I think you you stated that leadership went from Jesse","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=1916.22,1924.16"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/407","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jones to Judge Elkins and then from Judge Elkins to Gus.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=1924.16,1929.7"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/408","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Oh that's just a fanciful idea I mean the town has gotten so big now","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=1929.7,1934.36"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/409","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"you can't say that Judge Elkins was an unchallenged leader but he seemed to be","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=1934.36,1941.44"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/410","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"a power.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=1941.44,1943.06"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/411","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But he was very active in local politics.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=1943.06,1945.38"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/412","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Oh yeah local and state.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=1945.38,1951.3"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/413","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And after he began to be less active I think","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=1951.3,1963.93"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/414","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"people would think that wouldn't say that George Brown and Gus Westman were","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=1963.93,1969.51"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/415","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"pretty influential and they were close friends.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=1969.51,1976.69"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/416","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Now the situation is so dispersed dispersed now that I don't think you could","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=1976.69,1983.97"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/417","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"pick a single person that's equal to anyone of those we've mentioned.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=1983.97,1993.53"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/418","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"What kind of what kind of man was Jesse Jones in comparison to say a","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=1993.53,1999.95"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/419","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"man like Judge Elkins how did they differ?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=1999.95,2004.45"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/420","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I realize we're dealing with perceptions of how you see someone but I think","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=2004.45,2011.17"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/421","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"you've had a great deal of experience with dealing with the leadership.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=2011.17,2017.53"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/422","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yeah well that's an awfully hard question for me to answer and I","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=2017.53,2028.03"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/423","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"wouldn't want to incriminate myself anyway even if I knew some of the the real","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=2028.03,2037.89"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/424","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"secrets.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=2037.89,2047.48"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/425","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I don't believe I can not that I hesitate to answer if I knew which","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=2047.48,2053.82"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/426","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"way to turn.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=2053.82,2055.4"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/427","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I don't know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=2055.4,2056.52"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/428","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well perhaps it's an unfair question but it's an interesting question.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=2056.52,2060.219"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/429","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Not unfair.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=2060.219,2063.62"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/430","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"If you turn off your machine I'll I'll tell you a couple of anecdotes about","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=2063.62,2069.12"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/431","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"both of them.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=2069.12,2071.52"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/432","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Can't believe the machine well I don't believe in the best part of I'll suffer","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=2071.52,2077.06"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/433","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"if you make me turn this machine off.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=2077.06,2079.52"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/434","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well I'll tell you this one about Jesse Jones.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=2079.52,2085.179"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/435","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I worked for him at the RFC going back to the Democratic Convention of 28","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=2085.179,2094.46"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/436","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"was it?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=2094.46,2095.36"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/437","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"When we had our big convention here.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=2095.36,2099.32"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/438","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I was one of a group who were given the job of seating picking this","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=2099.32,2106.9"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/439","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"actual seats for the delegations from different states.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=2106.9,2110.64"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/440","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"There was a good deal of jealousy between them and the priorities and an","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=2110.64,2117.42"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/441","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"important state like New York wanted its alternates to have equal priority in","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=2117.42,2123.12"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/442","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"various in the seating.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=2123.12,2125.92"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/443","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And so we stayed up a couple of nights all night long trying to keep","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=2125.92,2134.24"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/444","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"all the prima donnas happy.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=2134.24,2136.46"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/445","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And long about two o'clock in the morning when we'd be working in an","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=2136.46,2140.78"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/446","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"office in the bank Jesse Jones would show up and he'd walk around and pat","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=2140.78,2147.12"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/447","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"us on the back and boys I don't know how we could get this job","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=2147.12,2151.04"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/448","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"done without volunteers like you and give us a little stuff of that kind before","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=2151.04,2158.88"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/449","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"we closed up and went to bed.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=2158.88,2161.2"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/450","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well that made a big impression on me.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=2161.2,2165.78"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/451","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Then I went then I worked in the RNC for six weeks in the fall","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=2165.78,2170.22"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/452","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"of 1933.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=2170.22,2172.36"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/453","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I'd been through a banking crisis and I was shell-shocked and this was a","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=2172.36,2176.22"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/454","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"very stimulating experience because I was in a very busy office with maybe 50","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=2176.22,2182.8"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/455","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"men examining banks.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=2182.8,2187.42"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/456","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It had to be qualified for admission to the Federal Deposit Insurance","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=2187.42,2193.04"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/457","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Corporation to see whether the bank was qualified and it had to be done in","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=2193.04,2197.8"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/458","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"the last couple of months of 1933 because the insurance was to be allocated in","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=2197.8,2205.68"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/459","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"January 34 and the bank didn't have its deposits insurance which was kind of a","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=2205.68,2212.2"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/460","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"dying doubt.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=2212.2,2213.4"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/461","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"They had to get fixed up in order to get the Well that was a","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=2213.4,2217.36"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/462","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"16 hour day deal in Washington and by God Mr. Jones would show up like","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=2217.36,2223.0"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/463","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"that and show an interest in what was being done and thank the fellas for","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=2223.0,2231.26"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/464","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"working long hours and just finally making the deadline and all that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=2231.26,2238.44"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/465","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So when I came back to work and he came to Houston I went out","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=2238.44,2244.56"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/466","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"of my way every opportunity to pay him homage and I'd go by and see","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=2244.56,2253.78"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/467","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"him have a drink with him.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=2253.78,2258.38"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/468","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"When I was in the Navy and wanted to and he was the Secretary of","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=2258.38,2261.92"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/469","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Commerce and I had worked for two years in New Orleans and wanted to go","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=2261.92,2267.44"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/470","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"to sea everybody laughed at me but when we had the new Houston commissioned and","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=2267.44,2276.72"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/471","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"had sworn in this big bunch of men on Main Street to replace the crew","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=2276.72,2280.58"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/472","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"of the last Houston of the lost Houston only one of whom actually made it","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=2280.58,2285.28"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/473","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"to the ship because they weren't qualified for all the various specialties in","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=2285.28,2290.36"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/474","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"the running of a battleship I put in for assignment to the Houston as a","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=2290.36,2296.3"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/475","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"native son well that wasn't enough to get me there with my little experience","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=2296.3,2300.86"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/476","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"but I did drop Mr. Jones a line and he called his friend Knox the","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=2300.86,2306.14"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/477","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Secretary of the Navy and everybody was surprised that my orders came through","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=2306.14,2310.72"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/478","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and when I reported for duty they thought I was a political commissar because I","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=2310.72,2315.66"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/479","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"was too old too much ranked and too little experienced so I was indebted to","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=2315.66,2322.44"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/480","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"him again and then lo and behold sometime in the late 1940s or early","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=2322.44,2332.04"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/481","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"50s Anson Clayton was about to sell its cotton loader its","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=2332.04,2341.86"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/482","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"facilities on the ship channel to the Air Force for dead storage and would","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=2341.86,2347.74"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/483","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"throw a lot of people out of work and the navigation district decided they'd","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=2347.74,2354.1"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/484","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"like to buy it they had to have a bond issue and Warren Bellers was","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=2354.1,2359.34"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/485","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"on the board of the navigation district at the time he called me up I","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=2359.34,2365.28"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/486","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"was out of time asked me if I had a committee to promote the passage","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=2365.28,2372.08"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/487","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"of a bond issue well I said how does Mr. Jones feel about it oh","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=2372.08,2376.52"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/488","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"he's for it well I said I'll take a word at it I haven't done","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=2376.52,2379.96"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/489","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"anything in the civic field sometime and but when I came home and we got","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=2379.96,2386.72"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/490","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"to working on it Mr. Jones had changed his mind and we had the bitterest","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=2386.72,2391.02"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/491","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"fights you ever knew Soapy Joe and the Chronicle gave me and the bank too","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=2391.02,2397.26"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/492","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"a lot of sharp criticism and the unions two unions the","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=2397.26,2406.86"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/493","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"ILA and the NMA they were very much in favor of the bond issue because","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=2406.86,2415.96"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/494","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"it meant jobs for them mixed cargo general cargo instead of locking it up and","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=2415.96,2423.98"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/495","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"it got down to the point where one of our lawyers in Houston said he","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=2423.98,2430.78"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/496","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"he could build a dossier on Mr. Jones and he'd if we'd put him on","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=2430.78,2435.76"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/497","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"the radio he'd skin him and that was about a week before the election and","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=2435.76,2443.42"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/498","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"we went to the committee including the labor people and they said no we'd stand","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=2443.42,2450.78"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/499","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"to fall on the issue we won't blacken Mr. Jones' character such an","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=2450.78,2454.8"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/500","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"assassination as that and sure enough they held the election and Jones won and","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=2454.8,2462.76"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/501","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"it turned out all right in the end because Anderson Clayton didn't sell it to","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=2462.76,2466.3"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/502","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"the Air Force and it was a big long reach plan a big general cargo","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=2466.3,2470.62"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/503","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"doc ever sent but my feelings were badly hurt and instead of going by to","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=2470.62,2477.2"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/504","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"see Mr. Jones regularly and instead of stopping at his box and rise to visit","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=2477.2,2483.9"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/505","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"with him a little I just happened to be looking the other way and so","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=2483.9,2488.64"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/506","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"one December the day before Christmas I was the President of the Bank I was","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=2488.64,2498.4"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/507","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Vice President Senior Vice President of the Bank went on a Christmas vacation","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=2498.4,2503.9"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/508","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and I was in charge and I got a call from Mr. Jones and I","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=2503.9,2508.38"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/509","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"got a call and I recognized the voice Bill this is Jesse Jones I said","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=2508.38,2514.16"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/510","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"yes Mr. Jones I hope things are well with you he said I want you","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=2514.16,2518.46"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/511","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"to come down and hear our singers Mr. Jones I'm in charge of the Bank","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=2518.46,2522.36"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/512","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"today the last day before Christmas I hear the singers are very good but I","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=2522.36,2527.16"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/513","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"can't accept your invitation it's cold as ice and well he said Bill I want","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=2527.16,2534.24"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/514","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"you to come down hear the singers and come up and have a drink with","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=2534.24,2538.5"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/515","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"you Mr. Jones I said I feel my duty requires that I stay here and","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=2538.5,2544.42"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/516","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I take the lunch hour today nobody I can really leave this responsibility to he","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=2544.42,2552.6"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/517","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"said now listen Bill I want you to come down hear my singers have a","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=2552.6,2557.3"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/518","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"drink and we'll have lunch and Joe Evans and I'll be up there I said","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=2557.3,2563.58"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/519","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Mr. Jones are you trying to bury the hatchet and he said yes I am","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=2563.58,2568.26"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/520","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I said I'll be right down and so I sat and I sat","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=2568.26,2582.02"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/521","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and I and I sat and I sat and I","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=2582.02,2594.08"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/522","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"sat and I sat and I sat and I sat and I sat and","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=2594.08,2604.6"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/523","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I sat and","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=2604.6,2622.72"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/524","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=2622.72,2635.24"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/525","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"sat and and  sat and  sat and  sat","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=2635.24,2655.52"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/526","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and I sat and I sat and I sat","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=2655.52,2685.96"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/527","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and I sat and sat and I sat","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=2685.96,2712.94"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/528","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and I sat and I sat and","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=2712.94,2722.82"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/529","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I I sat I sat and sat and I sat and I","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=2722.82,2742.28"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/530","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"sat and I sat","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=2742.28,2751.3"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/531","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and I sat","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=2751.3,2761.44"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/532","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and I","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=2761.44,2779.52"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/533","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"sat sat and sat and","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=2779.52,2789.18"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/534","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I and I sat and I sat and I sat and I I sat and","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=2789.18,2799.42"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/535","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I sat and I","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=2799.42,2809.64"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/536","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"sat and I","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=2809.64,2842.26"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/537","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I  sat","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=2842.26,2851.76"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/538","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and I sat and and I","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=2851.76,2873.92"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/539","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"sat and I that overdone or is that","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=2873.92,2883.3"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/540","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"real?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=2883.3,2884.38"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/541","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I think it's overdone.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=2884.38,2886.64"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/542","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I think it's mostly social meetings.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=2886.64,2889.42"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/543","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Of course, politics had to come up at times.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=2889.42,2892.52"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/544","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, one gets the impression that policy was made there as","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=2892.52,2902.19"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/545","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"to who was to be elected, who should be supported from there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=2902.19,2908.25"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/546","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, I don't, I don't, could well have been that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=2908.25,2912.23"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/547","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"In the most innocent sort of way.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=2912.23,2917.48"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/548","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But I don't know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=2917.48,2919.24"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/549","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I never attended one.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=2919.24,2921.46"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/550","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"This is a good point for me to turn over the tape.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=2921.46,2923.98"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/551","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Excuse me.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=2923.98,2937.38"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/552","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I realize you're tired and I'll try not to keep you too much more.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=2937.38,2944.56"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/553","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I'd like to, you also served on the city, you served as a city councilman.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=2944.56,2949.04"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/554","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I was a city councilman for one time, two years.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=2949.04,2952.68"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/555","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I was never a city manager man.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=2952.68,2956.48"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/556","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I had worked, and I think I was the vice president of what was known","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=2956.48,2961.52"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/557","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"as the Charter Commission that studied city government for two or three months","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=2961.52,2968.82"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/558","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"at the public library in the auditorium there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=2968.82,2973.88"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/559","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Quite a big group.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=2973.88,2975.52"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/560","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And we came up with what was known as the Houston Plan, which had a","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=2975.52,2980.0"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/561","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"strong mayor, but provided that he have a city manager, an experienced city","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=2980.0,2987.38"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/562","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"manager right under him.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=2987.38,2989.8"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/563","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And he was defeated by the reporters.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=2989.8,2994.0"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/564","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And then when I came back from the Navy, full of public zeal, two","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=2994.0,3005.98"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/565","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"very good friends of mine, women who were lieutenants for me, Frankie Randolph,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=3005.98,3015.1"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/566","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"whom I admired, but with whom I was never close.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=3015.1,3019.3"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/567","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And she had, they had put in the city manager plan for two terms with","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=3019.3,3026.14"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/568","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Otis Massey as mayor.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=3026.14,3029.82"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/569","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And they had that citizen's charter commission put out as a slate","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=3029.82,3038.44"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/570","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"for an election to succeed Otis Massey mayor and the councilman.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=3038.44,3046.94"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/571","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And they persuaded me and my dear friend Andrew Jackson Ray to run for","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=3046.94,3056.68"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/572","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"commissioners at large.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=3056.68,3060.06"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/573","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And Clyde Fitzgerald was already one.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=3060.06,3063.72"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/574","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"He wasn't really a harker man or city manager man, but they put him on","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=3063.72,3071.12"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/575","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"the ticket.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=3071.12,3072.28"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/576","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So there were three of us running for commissioners at large.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=3072.28,3078.9"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/577","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And the councilman at large, I believe you call it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=3078.9,3081.98"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/578","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And then a slate of district councilmen.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=3081.98,3088.68"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/579","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And Hargard Jefferson was our mayor candidate.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=3088.68,3093.64"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/580","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, the slate was turned down and Fitzgerald and I were re-elected.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=3093.64,3101.0"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/581","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, Fitzgerald was re-elected and I was re-elected.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=3101.0,3105.88"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/582","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And I had never voted for Mr. Harkin up to that time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=3105.88,3111.62"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/583","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I didn't realize how able he was.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=3111.62,3116.78"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/584","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I was looking at it from the side, from outside.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=3116.78,3121.58"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/585","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But I determined to pitch in and do the best I could.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=3121.58,3127.0"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/586","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And it was purely part-time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=3127.0,3130.28"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/587","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"More so then than it is now, I guess.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=3130.28,3133.54"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/588","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And at the end of my two-year term, I felt I had done my","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=3133.54,3140.48"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/589","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"part.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=3140.48,3141.72"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/590","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I had learned two valuable lessons.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=3141.72,3146.18"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/591","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That the men at the head of the bureaus in the city government, call them","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=3146.18,3154.28"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/592","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"bureaucrats if you wish, but they were such able fellows at the time that I","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=3154.28,3158.66"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/593","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"thought they could run the city no matter who was at the head.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=3158.66,3162.38"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/594","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But I also learned that I didn't think anybody ought to become a mayor who","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=3162.38,3169.54"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/595","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"hadn't had some real city government experience.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=3169.54,3173.06"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/596","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Either as a long-time city councilman, as Louis Welch had, or as maybe mayor","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=3173.06,3180.24"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/597","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"of another city, feeling that even the best executive in Houston couldn't go","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=3180.24,3188.22"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/598","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"into the mayor's office and know what it was all about.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=3188.22,3191.7"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/599","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And that's an attempt or two.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=3191.7,3194.7"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/600","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It's a job for an experienced person.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=3194.7,3199.82"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/601","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"What was your impression of Oscar Harkin?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=3199.82,3202.76"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/602","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Oh, my impression of him was all pretty good.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=3202.76,3207.54"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/603","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"He was a real builder and a real straight shooter.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=3207.54,3212.32"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/604","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And I saw nothing about his operation of the city that","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=3212.32,3222.0"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/605","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I would take issue with.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=3222.0,3225.72"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/606","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"You know, you get such conflicting opinions of a man that it's difficult to","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=3225.72,3230.72"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/607","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"really grasp.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=3230.72,3231.96"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/608","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, he's a man that grew a great ear over the years.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=3231.96,3235.6"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/609","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"He came in in the 20s and that was in almost the 50s before he","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=3235.6,3240.66"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/610","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"finally came in.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=3240.66,3241.86"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/611","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"He came in and out.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=3241.86,3249.22"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/612","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I'm sure he didn't start off being the big man that he was, nor did","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=3249.22,3254.72"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/613","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"he, in his later years, take advantage of some of the opportunities that he had","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=3254.72,3261.26"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/614","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"seized in the early years.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=3261.26,3267.26"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/615","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But I sat with him and he helped a lot.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=3267.26,3271.28"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/616","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"How did he get along with such men as, well, a man like Jesse Jones?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=3271.28,3274.86"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/617","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Oh, he got along with everybody.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=3274.86,3277.62"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/618","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"He didn't have any trouble.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=3277.62,3282.21"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/619","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I asked that particularly because you made the remark before that up until that","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=3282.21,3287.83"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/620","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"time when you had served in city government, you had not voted for him.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=3287.83,3292.05"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/621","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And I was curious as to...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=3292.05,3293.89"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/622","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yeah, I just never...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=3293.89,3296.99"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/623","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I just went along with the stream of Montague, dear fellow, easygoing","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=3296.99,3307.39"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/624","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"judge, but didn't know anything about the city.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=3307.39,3311.63"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/625","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I don't think I voted for Neil Pickett, but I may have.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=3311.63,3316.95"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/626","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Little Mr. Fondue was my friend.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=3316.95,3319.45"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/627","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"He was on that commission, one that studied the...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=3319.45,3325.43"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/628","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"He brought out the Houston plan and I voted for him.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=3325.43,3328.49"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/629","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I've been on the school board with him.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=3328.49,3332.93"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/630","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Who'd you serve with on the school board?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=3332.93,3337.31"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/631","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I don't mean all the members, but some of the outstanding.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=3337.31,3341.13"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/632","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, there's Cook, there's Dave, Dr. Davey, Bill Gates, of course, Mr.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=3341.13,3348.59"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/633","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Shepard, Mr. Fondue.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=3348.59,3358.54"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/634","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"What years did you serve on the board, sir?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=3358.54,3360.46"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/635","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I was appointed to fill the vacancy Claude Pollard designed, and then a couple","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=3360.46,3367.48"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/636","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"of months later I ran and was elected three two-year terms.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=3367.48,3380.06"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/637","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"You also served on the dome committee.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=3380.06,3389.04"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/638","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yes, and that's one of the things I'm working on right now.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=3389.04,3394.5"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/639","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Oh?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=3394.5,3403.4"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/640","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"There's a fellow writing a biography.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=3403.4,3409.9"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/641","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I know about them.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=3409.9,3412.3"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/642","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I think it's probably public knowledge that a book's been written by Mr. Ray.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=3412.3,3416.22"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/643","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"He's written me, and I want to go into your files, which","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=3416.22,3426.22"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/644","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I amplified with papers of my own, and get the dates.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=3426.22,3431.46"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/645","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"In writing to Mr. Ray about the role I played and the roles that Huff","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=3431.46,3441.38"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/646","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I did not play, I want to know the dates.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=3441.38,3444.34"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/647","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Okay, well, can we talk just a little bit about the roles that you played","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=3444.34,3448.58"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/648","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and the roles he did not play, just for a moment?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=3448.58,3451.84"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/649","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=3451.84,3454.68"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/650","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I was in at the very beginning when a meeting was called.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=3454.68,3460.52"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/651","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We met in the city national bank, first city national boardroom, to discuss the","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=3460.52,3467.06"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/652","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"possibility of trying to get big league baseball to Houston.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=3467.06,3472.98"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/653","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And then a group of us, Craig Conlin and George Bruce and George Kirksey, got","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=3472.98,3481.44"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/654","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Cersei Bracewell to get through the state legislature a bill that would allow","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=3481.44,3490.34"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/655","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"counties of certain size to set up park boards with the authority","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=3490.34,3500.16"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/656","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"to arrange for revenue bond elections in the hope of building park facilities,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=3500.16,3510.22"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/657","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"including stadia, with revenue bonds.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=3510.22,3515.06"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/658","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That bill was passed.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=3515.06,3517.46"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/659","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bob Casey, with the help of the county commissioners at that, oh, it was Harris","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=3517.46,3525.56"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/660","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"County, not cities, it was counties of a certain size.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=3525.56,3531.46"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/661","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"He appointed me as chairman of a seven-man board of Harris, the Harris County","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=3531.46,3540.76"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/662","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Board of Park Commissioners.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=3540.76,3543.3"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/663","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It included Eddie Dyer, the former manager of the world's champion Cardinals,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=3543.3,3552.58"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/664","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"old rice athlete.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=3552.58,3553.9"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/665","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Corby Robertson, Wilton Roper of","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=3553.9,3563.68"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/666","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Baytown, Archer Romero of Houston,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=3563.68,3574.6"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/667","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Brad Mansfield, an engineer of Pasadena, and most important, Herbert Allen of","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=3574.6,3583.76"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/668","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"the Cameron Ironworks.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=3583.76,3587.36"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/669","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We began to meet quietly and apart from no public meetings, always private,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=3587.36,3597.12"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/670","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"trying to figure out how to, which came first, the chicken or the egg.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=3597.12,3603.28"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/671","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"You couldn't build a stadium without having a team to play in it, and you","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=3603.28,3610.48"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/672","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"couldn't get a franchise for a team without having a place for the team to","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=3610.48,3613.98"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/673","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"play.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=3613.98,3614.26"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/674","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I mean, it was that sort of a thing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=3614.26,3617.52"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/675","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And we worked at it for a year or two.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=3617.52,3620.48"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/676","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We got $5,000 each from the Fat Stock Show and the Houston Sports Association,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=3620.48,3626.48"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/677","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"which had been formed by Craig Cullinan and a group of others, including R.E.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=3626.48,3632.32"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/678","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bob Smith.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=3632.32,3634.3"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/679","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And with that $10,000, we were able to have site surveys made, and we","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=3634.3,3639.42"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/680","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"appointed architects, Wilson,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=3639.42,3649.96"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/681","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Crane, and Anderson, and engineers.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=3649.96,3656.62"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/682","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And in 1958, I went away on an extended vacation.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=3656.62,3661.52"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/683","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"When I came back, I found the commissioners, the members of the board, had","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=3661.52,3668.15"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/684","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"agreed to consider putting the stadium in Memorial Park.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=3668.15,3677.65"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/685","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And it had to have the approval of Mrs. Ima Hogg of the Hogg Estate,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=3677.65,3682.33"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/686","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"the residuary.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=3682.33,3683.51"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/687","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I mean, you know, whatever it is, if you violated the conditions of the gift,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=3683.51,3692.57"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/688","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"you'd have to give up the park.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=3692.57,3696.75"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/689","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"There was some basis for that, because Mr. Hogg himself had thought maybe we","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=3696.75,3703.87"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/690","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"might steal the estate fair from Dallas, and it said if that came about, they","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=3703.87,3710.05"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/691","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"could use 200 acres.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=3710.05,3712.75"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/692","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But Mrs. Ima put her foot down on it, as she should have, and then","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=3712.75,3717.77"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/693","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"the site that we had chosen was number one.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=3717.77,3721.65"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/694","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And it fell to us to get started by getting verbal options on the land,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=3721.65,3729.61"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/695","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"the tractor land, the fat stock show land, and Herman Hospital smuggler land.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=3729.61,3738.05"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/696","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But the main key piece was a little triangular piece that fronted on Old Main","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=3738.05,3743.43"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/697","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Street Road, and we realized we had to have that in order to close Main","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=3743.43,3747.23"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/698","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Street Road.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=3747.23,3747.85"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/699","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And that belonged to Bob Smith.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=3747.85,3751.07"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/700","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And so I went to Bob and said, Bob, we want to talk about getting","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=3751.07,3755.71"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/701","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"an option on your 62 acres or whatever it was for 10,000 an acre.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=3755.71,3760.77"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/702","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, he said, that sounds all right, but you've got to clear that with my","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=3760.77,3763.93"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/703","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"real estate associate who handles all such matters for me, Roy Hoffhans.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=3763.93,3768.47"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/704","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, I knew Roy pretty well, and so I went to see him, and he","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=3768.47,3773.19"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/705","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"said, sure.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=3773.19,3776.49"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/706","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We're interested, but we won't sell.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=3776.49,3780.59"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/707","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We'll trade you our Smith land for an equal number of acres in the","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=3780.59,3789.29"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/708","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"neighborhood.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=3789.29,3790.61"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/709","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, the Herman Hospital estate, the only people that had any was over there","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=3790.61,3795.13"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/710","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"by Holly Hall.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=3795.13,3797.21"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/711","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And so I went to them, yeah, we'll trade, because the 62 acres adjoined","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=3797.21,3806.37"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/712","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"something they had on Old Spanish Trail.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=3806.37,3809.29"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/713","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So we were giving them a little bit.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=3809.29,3810.93"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/714","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yes, we'll trade.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=3810.93,3812.19"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/715","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, that was the first Roy Hoffhans ever heard of the stadium, I feel","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=3812.19,3815.83"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/716","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"certain.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=3815.83,3821.39"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/717","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But while we were worrying about site, Herbert Allen, a very able,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=3821.39,3831.99"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/718","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"imaginative fellow, an engineer with lots of patents, he kept doodling on a","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=3831.99,3837.39"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/719","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"pad.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=3837.39,3837.81"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/720","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And he said, early in the game, he said, I was on the Rice University","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=3837.81,3843.07"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/721","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"stadium committee, building committee, and he said, I want you to know that we","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=3843.07,3848.57"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/722","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"made a mistake not putting a roof on it, and this stadium, if we build","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=3848.57,3851.79"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/723","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"one, has to have a roof.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=3851.79,3854.05"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/724","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We went along with that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=3854.05,3856.59"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/725","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Meeting a two later, he was still doodling.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=3856.59,3860.33"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/726","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"He said, you know, this stadium's got to be used for a good many things","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=3860.33,3867.13"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/727","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"besides baseball.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=3867.13,3869.13"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/728","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Football can be played in there for great success.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=3869.13,3873.67"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/729","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And he said, I believe it possible to have a section of seats on the","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=3873.67,3878.95"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/730","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"first baseline, the third baseline, sitting on rails so that they can be pulled","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=3878.95,3883.89"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/731","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"around and put on a 50-yard line for football.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=3883.89,3888.13"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/732","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And so he communicated that to our engineers.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=3888.13,3892.67"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/733","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And so when Bob, when Roy Hoffhans got interested, he had a model made.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=3892.67,3903.23"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/734","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We didn't have that now.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=3903.23,3905.81"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/735","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"About that time, it was so, about that time, that's why my time","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=3905.81,3915.09"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/736","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"frame is hazy in my mind, but about that time, we","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=3915.09,3924.59"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/737","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"decided that the only chance to put this over was to go to the voters","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=3924.59,3929.77"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/738","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and have Harris County people vote on taking this thing over and not trying to","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=3929.77,3936.33"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/739","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"build it with revenue bonds.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=3936.33,3938.63"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/740","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And by a narrow margin, the voters accepted the idea.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=3938.63,3945.95"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/741","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So then the county was in the business of building its own stadium.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=3945.95,3951.71"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/742","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And they didn't need the Harris County Board of Park Commissioners anymore.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=3951.71,3956.23"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/743","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But they did listen to our advice.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=3956.23,3963.28"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/744","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And I went to the county commissioners, along with a couple of the other","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=3963.28,3966.98"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/745","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"members of the thing, and strongly urged that the stadium","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=3966.98,3976.54"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/746","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"be leased to a private enterprise organization.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=3976.54,3983.66"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/747","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So that they'd have to make a profit and run an efficient operation in order","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=3983.66,3993.16"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/748","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"to meet the rent necessary to pay the interest on the bonds.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=3993.16,3999.54"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/749","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And so they decided to lease it to the Houston Sports Association.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=3999.54,4007.66"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/750","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"By that time, Bob Smith and Hoffhans had gained control along the way to","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=4007.66,4016.22"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/751","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"gaining control, so that Hoffhans took over the contact between","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=4016.22,4025.74"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/752","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"the construction, between the county and the contractors to build","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=4025.74,4035.46"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/753","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"the temporary stadium and then the big one.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=4035.46,4039.4"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/754","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The temporary stadium was built on that Bob Smith land.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=4039.4,4043.92"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/755","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"He was the one that had the model built so as to present it to","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=4043.92,4047.7"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/756","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"the people and sell it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=4047.7,4048.82"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/757","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"He did a magnificent job putting the election over.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=4048.82,4051.48"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/758","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And then after that, there wasn't anything else for the Houston Board of Park","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=4051.48,4056.78"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/759","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Commissioners to do.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=4056.78,4060.74"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/760","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And Hoffhans entitled to a good deal of credit.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=4060.74,4064.18"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/761","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And he, I think, they made a wise decision in leasing it to the organization","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=4064.18,4069.82"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/762","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"which he would be running because he was a bond promoter.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=4069.82,4074.26"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/763","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And the success of it was getting all sorts of attractions to use it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=4074.26,4080.86"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/764","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The big revenue comes from the parking.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=4080.86,4083.8"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/765","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The more cars you can have parked out there, the better your finances will be","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=4083.8,4089.98"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/766","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"because parking revenue is almost all net.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=4089.98,4092.82"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/767","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The expense of parking is nothing, relatively nothing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=4092.82,4098.38"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/768","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So I'm very much interested in seeing that Herbert Allen and others get credit","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=4098.38,4106.74"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/769","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"for what they did.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=4106.74,4108.16"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/770","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And when this man Ray writes me, I wrote a letter congratulating","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=4108.16,4118.63"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/771","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"him.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=4118.63,4121.68"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/772","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Oh, Jack Gallagher, it was a wonderful story that Jack Gallagher wrote about","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=4121.68,4126.3"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/773","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"you and your career.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=4126.3,4128.2"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/774","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I enjoyed it thoroughly, but as you can imagine, I had to write him and","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=4128.2,4130.96"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/775","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"call his hand on some inaccuracies.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=4130.96,4132.62"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/776","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"For instance, it was Herbert Allen, one of the park commissioners, who","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=4132.62,4135.979"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/777","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"announced that any stadium be built on top of a roof.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=4135.979,4139.24"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/778","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And he's the one that suggested moving the sideline seats around for football.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=4139.24,4143.279"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/779","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"You deserve great credit, and I'll tell the world, for picking up that ball and","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=4143.279,4147.14"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/780","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"persuading the taxpayers of Harris County to pay for that stadium with tax","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=4147.14,4150.76"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/781","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"support rather than revenue bond.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=4150.76,4153.47"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/782","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"From there on, you ran the project and ran it well.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=4153.47,4156.27"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/783","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"No one could have matched you for promoting its use in 50 different ways.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=4156.27,4160.97"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/784","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"You'll remember that I argued before the commissioners court the wisdom of","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=4160.97,4163.97"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/785","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"leasing the property to a private enterprise outfit, the Houston Sports","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=4163.97,4167.67"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/786","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Association, of course.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=4167.67,4170.39"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/787","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"There are a good many other things that have happened in this town for which","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=4170.39,4172.81"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/788","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"you deserve major credit.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=4172.81,4174.27"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/789","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"In connection with one of them, you're never mentioned.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=4174.27,4177.189"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/790","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"In that case, I may be able to start something toward getting that oversight","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=4177.189,4180.49"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/791","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"corrected.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=4180.49,4184.67"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/792","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, he apparently passed my line.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=4184.67,4187.25"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/793","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I never heard from him, but this fellow, the biographer, wrote and thanked me","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=4187.25,4192.83"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/794","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"for what I had to say.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=4192.83,4198.87"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/795","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"He's completed the first draft, and this is the formula.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=4198.87,4206.24"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/796","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And I just couldn't help but tell him, be careful now.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=4206.24,4212.38"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/797","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That's what I wanted to do.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=4212.38,4214.54"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/798","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But Craig Conlon has given him everything that he remembers about him.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=4214.54,4222.54"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/799","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But Craig hasn't got the dates that I want.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=4222.54,4225.8"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/800","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And I've got to get them out of that file of yours.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=4225.8,4228.92"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/801","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I can't do it today, although I thought I could.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=4228.92,4231.22"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/802","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I didn't know I was going to spend all my afternoon looking at you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=4231.22,4234.76"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/803","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, it's been my pleasure.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=4234.76,4237.32"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/804","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Let me just throw you one.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=4237.32,4238.54"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/805","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We're not on the air now.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=4238.54,4240.22"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/806","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Now we are, yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=4240.22,4241.1"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/807","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I'm going to turn it off for a second.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=4241.1,4242.4"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/808","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Let me just ask you one question about this period of time that we're talking","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=4242.4,4245.52"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/809","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"about during the time of the Dome Stadium.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=4245.52,4249.46"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/810","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I'm not speaking just of the Dome, but in Houston in general, what effect did","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=4249.46,4254.52"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/811","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Glenn McCarthy have on Houston at this time?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=4254.52,4256.98"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/812","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"How was he looked upon by the leaders of the community?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=4256.98,4261.86"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/813","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"This is a lucky rough note.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=4261.86,4268.92"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/814","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And he's found himself as a fine, upstanding gentleman in these later years","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=4268.92,4276.16"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/815","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"when his fortunes were not the same as they had been.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=4276.16,4281.1"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/816","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I think he deserves a good deal of credit.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=4281.1,4283.96"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/817","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But there was a time there where he was pretty hard to have.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=4283.96,4288.22"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/818","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So I've heard.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=4288.22,4289.44"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/819","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I was just curious as to how the responsible leaders of the community reacted","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=4289.44,4294.46"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/820","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"to him, if they took him seriously.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=4294.46,4297.56"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/821","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"You know, I want to get Craig Collins' permission to give you this copy of","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=4297.56,4302.8"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/822","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"his story.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=4302.8,4303.02"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/823","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I certainly would like to, yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=4303.02,4304.54"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/824","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Because it does.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=4304.54,4308.28"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/825","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I tried to call him this morning.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=4308.28,4310.44"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/826","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It does talk about something that we didn't mention.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=4310.44,4315.44"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/827","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And that is the way the powers in organized baseball were made to","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=4315.44,4324.34"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/828","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"listen to the need for expansion.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=4324.34,4330.84"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/829","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"They got Branch Rickey involved in the formation.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=4330.84,4338.28"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/830","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"He got a lot of good names, too.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=4338.28,4340.6"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/831","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Back it up.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=4340.6,4342.62"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/832","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Men of means to form the Continental League, a competitive league.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=4342.62,4350.5"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/833","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And at the time, they were having some trouble in the Congress about the","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=4350.5,4357.74"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/834","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"reserve clause and things that protected the ownership of baseball players.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=4357.74,4364.02"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/835","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And they knew how able Branch Rickey was.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=4364.02,4370.42"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/836","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And they saw that these people meant business because of the names that were","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=4370.42,4375.36"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/837","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"behind him.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=4375.36,4376.84"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/838","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And the Congress was breathing down their necks.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=4376.84,4380.42"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/839","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And lo and behold, the National League, in order to stave off the organization","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=4380.42,4388.04"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/840","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"of the Continental League, they agreed to take in New York and Houston, the","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=4388.04,4394.22"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/841","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"National League expansion.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=4394.22,4395.74"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/842","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And that story hadn't been told much, either.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=4395.74,4399.4"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/843","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That was very smart work on the part of Kirksey and Cullinan to bring Branch","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=4399.4,4406.34"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/844","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rickey, one of the best known figures in baseball, down to Houston.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=4406.34,4412.34"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/845","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"He was a charming old fellow, too.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=4412.34,4414.86"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/846","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"How did he do it?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=4414.86,4416.48"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/847","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, he didn't do anything but just go through the motions of organizing the","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=4416.48,4421.06"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/848","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"league.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=4421.06,4421.46"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/849","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And just the fact that he was there with these strong people scared him to","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=4421.46,4425.48"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/850","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"death.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=4425.48,4427.64"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/851","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"They were afraid they'd open up the whole can of worms and make slaves out","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=4427.64,4434.02"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/852","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"of the men under contract.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=4434.02,4437.94"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/853","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That's amazing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=4437.94,4439.22"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/854","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It's fascinating.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=4439.22,4440.44"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/855","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I thoroughly enjoyed it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=4440.44,4441.84"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/856","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I hope I haven't worn you out too much, because you were up here before","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=4441.84,4444.4"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/857","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"doing research.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=4444.4,4445.36"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/858","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"You had worn me out, but I enjoyed it, too.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=4445.36,4447.68"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/859","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I appreciate it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=4447.68,4448.58"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/860","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Thank you very much for talking to me.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=4448.58,4450.46"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/861","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"You're quite welcome.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=4450.46,4451.74"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/862","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I still want to see that thing we did the other day with McCullough, so","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=4451.74,4458.32"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/863","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"we can talk to him a little bit.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=4458.32,4460.12"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/864","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"What's his first name?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=4460.12,4461.5"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/865","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Harold.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=4461.5,4462.22"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/866","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Harold M.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=4462.22,4463.66"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/867","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"McCullough.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=4463.66,4464.22"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/868","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"O-U-G-H.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=4464.22,4465.62"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/869","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=4465.62,4467.02"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/870","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Because I wanted to get his...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465#t=4467.02,4468.56"}]},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["English [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112857/file/215465/transcript/71141/annotation/871","type":"Annotation","motivation":"subtitling","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/file_transcripts/associated_files/000/071/141/original/transcript_1727314271.vtt20240925-46925-q3qcfj.vtt20240925-46925-q3qcfj?1727314271","format":"text/vtt","language":"en"},"target":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/file_transcripts/associated_files/000/071/141/original/transcript_1727314271.vtt20240925-46925-q3qcfj.vtt20240925-46925-q3qcfj?1727314271"}]}]}]}