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Harbach: Well, I was born in Bernville, Pennsylvania, which is up in the mountains right near Harrisburg.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113619/file/216625#t=26.08,36.26"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113619/file/216625/transcript/61437/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"My parents were Pennsylvania Dutch.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113619/file/216625#t=36.26,39.41"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113619/file/216625/transcript/61437/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"They've been here since 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That's right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113619/file/216625#t=5018.64,5019.99"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113619/file/216625/transcript/61437/annotation/993","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Now, you take some of the agencies which were the word, gold agency.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113619/file/216625#t=5019.99,5025.48"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113619/file/216625/transcript/61437/annotation/994","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I mean, if you really want socially to get ahead, you'd be on their boards.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113619/file/216625#t=5025.48,5030.64"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113619/file/216625/transcript/61437/annotation/995","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"They were, generally did, kind of operations because they, they were very careful.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113619/file/216625#t=5030.64,5037.51"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113619/file/216625/transcript/61437/annotation/996","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Things like that from interested in the law.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113619/file/216625#t=5037.51,5047.71"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113619/file/216625/transcript/61437/annotation/997","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, she started at the United Fund.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113619/file/216625#t=5047.71,5049.57"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113619/file/216625/transcript/61437/annotation/998","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I think you know that. I mean, through that, um.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113619/file/216625#t=5049.57,5052.26"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113619/file/216625/transcript/61437/annotation/999","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"She didn't start it, but I mean, the concept was built on what she planned it and worked at.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113619/file/216625#t=5052.26,5058.21"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113619/file/216625/transcript/61437/annotation/1000","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And I understand she really worked the streets, I mean she pinned people down, and if she pinned yet, she'd most likely come in pretty hard.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113619/file/216625#t=5058.21,5067.12"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113619/file/216625/transcript/61437/annotation/1001","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"She, she didn't mess around.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113619/file/216625#t=5067.12,5087.76"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113619/file/216625/transcript/61437/annotation/1002","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I think that covers it pretty well.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113619/file/216625#t=5087.76,5090.56"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113619/file/216625/transcript/61437/annotation/1003","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"You might find there's, there's a porcelain collection that she had.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113619/file/216625#t=5090.56,5094.6"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113619/file/216625/transcript/61437/annotation/1004","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It was very fine.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113619/file/216625#t=5094.6,5097.95"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113619/file/216625/transcript/61437/annotation/1005","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Walter Binger: She painted herself?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113619/file/216625#t=5097.95,5099.81"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113619/file/216625/transcript/61437/annotation/1006","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Franklin I. 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She, at, at her age.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113619/file/216625#t=5125.2,5127.78"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113619/file/216625/transcript/61437/annotation/1013","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We could always come together.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113619/file/216625#t=5127.78,5129.58"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113619/file/216625/transcript/61437/annotation/1014","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And I think that's, I was one of the few people that was in her own group that ever differed with 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