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Dallas.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112847/file/215453#t=1587.78,1590.4"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112847/file/215453/transcript/71098/annotation/301","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And he called the conference people together to see the directors and business","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112847/file/215453#t=1591.56,1601.07"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112847/file/215453/transcript/71098/annotation/302","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"managers to see if they couldn't work out a program whereby such a game 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