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Mr. McGregor, we're going to start way back and want to talk to you a little bit about we know that you graduated from U.T.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624#t=14.03,22.67"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624/transcript/61436/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Law School in 1926.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624#t=22.67,26.34"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624/transcript/61436/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And I know that your family has a long tradition of attorneys.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624#t=26.34,30.66"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624/transcript/61436/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We wondered if it had always been assumed that you would, you know, the law?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624#t=30.66,36.99"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624/transcript/61436/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Douglas W. McGregor: Wanted it to always be what?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624#t=36.99,38.58"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624/transcript/61436/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sharon B. Endelman: Then assumed that you would enter the law.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624#t=38.58,40.65"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624/transcript/61436/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Did you, was it just expected?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624#t=40.65,41.5"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624/transcript/61436/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Douglas W. McGregor: I think I assumed it. However, I studied geology before I studied law.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624#t=41.5,45.66"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624/transcript/61436/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sharon B. Endelman: Oh, you did?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624#t=45.66,46.32"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624/transcript/61436/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Douglas W. McGregor: Yes. And Mr.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624#t=46.32,49.17"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624/transcript/61436/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Slimbaugh, who just died, was president of Humble for a while, was my professor.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624#t=49.17,54.93"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624/transcript/61436/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And we went out to the oilfields of Pasadena, California, in 1923 and did some work on the first whipstocking out","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624#t=54.93,64.86"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624/transcript/61436/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"there, and then went to the copper mines in Butte, Montana, and the ice fields of Montana.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624#t=64.86,72.96"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624/transcript/61436/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But I never intended to be a geologist.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624#t=72.96,75.3"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624/transcript/61436/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I always intended to be a lawyer.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624#t=75.3,77.77"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624/transcript/61436/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sharon B. 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McGregor: I think my father's last term in the state senate was 1915, but I could be mistaken about that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624#t=186.6,195.26"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624/transcript/61436/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"He later served in the House following his, uh.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624#t=195.26,200.12"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624/transcript/61436/annotation/49","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Maybe, maybe he, it was longer, but he was very active in the various [.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624#t=200.12,208.37"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624/transcript/61436/annotation/50","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"..] Institutions, and, uh, also he was interested in tuberculosis.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624#t=208.37,213.89"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624/transcript/61436/annotation/51","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"He'd had tuberculosis.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624#t=213.89,214.97"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624/transcript/61436/annotation/52","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That's why we left Houston and moved to Austin.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624#t=214.97,216.98"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624/transcript/61436/annotation/53","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"He went down with tuberculosis and we moved out of Houston to Comfort, near Kerrville.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624#t=216.98,225.08"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624/transcript/61436/annotation/54","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I don't know whether you've ever seen the little town of Comfort, now.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624#t=225.08,227.78"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624/transcript/61436/annotation/55","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Louis Marchiafava: When was this, sir?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624#t=227.78,229.25"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624/transcript/61436/annotation/56","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Douglas W. 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And we went, uh, then down to Austin because the doctors told him not to come back to Houston.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624#t=271.04,277.55"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624/transcript/61436/annotation/67","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Houston had no drainage in those days, and it was a sea of mud all winter.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624#t=277.55,283.67"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624/transcript/61436/annotation/68","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So I rode in the covered wagon with him back from Llano to Austin, took three days.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624#t=283.67,292.34"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624/transcript/61436/annotation/69","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sharon B. 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My father was a Ferguson supporter all the time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624#t=387.02,393.53"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624/transcript/61436/annotation/95","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Louis Marchiafava: When did you first get involved in politics?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624#t=393.53,397.39"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624/transcript/61436/annotation/96","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Why?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624#t=397.39,398.15"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624/transcript/61436/annotation/97","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Douglas W. 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Before, either at the university or before.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624#t=399.35,402.92"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624/transcript/61436/annotation/99","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Do you have any experience in politics because of your father's activities?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624#t=402.92,408.2"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624/transcript/61436/annotation/100","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Douglas W. 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My father was a trial lawyer.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624#t=436.22,439.44"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624/transcript/61436/annotation/106","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And then they had a twenty minute nap after dinner.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624#t=439.44,443.09"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624/transcript/61436/annotation/107","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And then they went back to the courthouse and pursued the trial of 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I know where he got his loan.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624#t=563.82,565.56"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624/transcript/61436/annotation/124","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"He got it from Bob Autry right here in Houston, at the Houston Ice and Brewing Company, got a hundred thousand dollars.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624#t=565.56,571.14"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624/transcript/61436/annotation/125","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And Otto Warman, who ran the brewery comp- the brewing company in San Antonio that had Pearl,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624#t=571.14,580.98"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624/transcript/61436/annotation/126","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Pearl beer. 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Mr.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624#t=1315.78,1317.61"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624/transcript/61436/annotation/261","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kirby would like for you to come up and see him in a minute.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624#t=1317.61,1319.74"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624/transcript/61436/annotation/262","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So I said, I'll be right up.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624#t=1319.74,1321.13"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624/transcript/61436/annotation/263","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So I jammed on my hat and I felt like I was going to get the biggest lawsuit I'd ever gotten.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624#t=1321.13,1327.66"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624/transcript/61436/annotation/264","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And I rushed up to Mr.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624#t=1327.66,1328.92"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624/transcript/61436/annotation/265","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kirby's office and he gave me a Bible.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624#t=1328.92,1331.23"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624/transcript/61436/annotation/266","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I still have it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624#t=1331.23,1336.1"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624/transcript/61436/annotation/267","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sharon B. Endelman: No, he can't, he had come a long way by the end, from Bible selling.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624#t=1336.1,1340.0"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624/transcript/61436/annotation/268","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Douglas W. 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McGregor: Uh, oh, the senior job?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624#t=1436.23,1438.19"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624/transcript/61436/annotation/286","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Louis Marchiafava: Oh, excuse me. I'm talking about the period '34 to '44.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624#t=1438.19,1442.3"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624/transcript/61436/annotation/287","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Douglas W. McGregor: It what?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624#t=1442.3,1442.79"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624/transcript/61436/annotation/288","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Louis Marchiafava: Nineteen thirty-four to '44.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624#t=1442.79,1445.19"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624/transcript/61436/annotation/289","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Douglas W. 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McGregor: Oh, I knew them all my life.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624#t=1460.8,1462.38"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624/transcript/61436/annotation/294","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Louis Marchiafava: I see.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624#t=1462.38,1464.31"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624/transcript/61436/annotation/295","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Douglas W. McGregor: And, uh, the fam- our family knew them all their life.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624#t=1464.31,1467.89"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624/transcript/61436/annotation/296","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And Senator Connally where, had been in the house and ran for the Senate.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624#t=1467.89,1478.36"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624/transcript/61436/annotation/297","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I guess, I believe it was Earl Mayfield.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624#t=1478.36,1481.59"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624/transcript/61436/annotation/298","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And both my father and I got out, I took a leave of absence.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624#t=1481.59,1485.05"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624/transcript/61436/annotation/299","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The jealousies of politics weren't as harsh then as I seem to be now.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624#t=1485.05,1494.11"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624/transcript/61436/annotation/300","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And I made some speeches over the state for Senator Connally and so did my father.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624#t=1494.11,1500.56"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624/transcript/61436/annotation/301","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Now, I had always voted for Senator Maurice Sheppard, but I never took part in this campaign at any time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624#t=1500.56,1509.42"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624/transcript/61436/annotation/302","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So, uh, I think the greatest thing that ever happened to me and I thought a lot about it since","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624#t=1509.42,1519.14"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624/transcript/61436/annotation/303","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"the Marston affair.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624#t=1519.14,1523.13"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624/transcript/61436/annotation/304","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I got a telephone call one day and it was from Senator Connally and he said, Senator Sheppard would like for you to come to","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624#t=1523.13,1532.79"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624/transcript/61436/annotation/305","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Washington. We have decided to appoint you as the United States attorney, and he wants you to meet him here.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624#t=1532.79,1540.26"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624/transcript/61436/annotation/306","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So I went to Washington and arrived at ten o'clock appointment, I believe it was, the Military Affairs Committee.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624#t=1540.26,1547.34"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624/transcript/61436/annotation/307","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Senator Sheppard was head of 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It's all the newspapers.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624#t=1614.94,1622.0"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624/transcript/61436/annotation/318","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Maybe I shouldn't give those opinions.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624#t=1622.0,1624.04"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624/transcript/61436/annotation/319","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Louis Marchiafava: No, it's, it's a, it's welcomed.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624#t=1624.04,1626.0"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624/transcript/61436/annotation/320","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sharon B. 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But as I said before, I gravitated towards the tax cases, what few we had.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624#t=1669.47,1675.53"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624/transcript/61436/annotation/332","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And there were a lot of things you don't know about that went on, about that time, that have little to do with trying","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624#t=1675.53,1685.4"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624/transcript/61436/annotation/333","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"cases. 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I knew Senator Truman.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624#t=2101.03,2102.76"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624/transcript/61436/annotation/407","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And my father knew him, and, uh, my father is responsible for his being nominated vice president.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624#t=2102.76,2114.94"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624/transcript/61436/annotation/408","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"You see, my father was an organizer of the Texas regulars, as they would 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Jesse built the Gulf building, which was not in the Depression period.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624#t=2809.09,2817.22"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624/transcript/61436/annotation/541","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Finished it in '29.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624#t=2817.22,2819.35"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624/transcript/61436/annotation/542","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"He built the Bankers Mortgage Building.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624#t=2819.35,2821.72"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624/transcript/61436/annotation/543","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"He built Lamar Hotel, as I say.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624#t=2821.72,2824.93"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624/transcript/61436/annotation/544","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The Rice Hotel was built a long time before the Depression.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624#t=2824.93,2831.83"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624/transcript/61436/annotation/545","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"On the east side of Main, across from Gulf Building that whole block was built by Jones.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624#t=2831.83,2841.4"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624/transcript/61436/annotation/546","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Houston Club was built by Jones.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624#t=2841.4,2844.94"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624/transcript/61436/annotation/547","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And that's all I remember at the moment.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624#t=2844.94,2849.35"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624/transcript/61436/annotation/548","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Louis Marchiafava: I wonder if we could return for just a few moments to politics and talk about the McCarthy period in Houston a bit.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624#t=2849.35,2857.72"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624/transcript/61436/annotation/549","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Was that a, did it have a very powerful influence on the political structure here?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624#t=2857.72,2863.54"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624/transcript/61436/annotation/550","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Douglas W. 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McGregor: I thought Mr. Johnson was not of the moral fiber that should fill those positions.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624#t=3060.12,3068.38"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624/transcript/61436/annotation/589","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Louis Marchiafava: Can you be a little more specific?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624#t=3068.38,3070.33"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624/transcript/61436/annotation/590","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Douglas W. 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McGregor: Well, I suppose you'd call voting against him and opposing him.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624#t=3078.13,3081.27"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624/transcript/61436/annotation/593","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And, um, I think the most wholly corrupt thing the man did was that Gulf of Tonkin Resolute,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624#t=3081.27,3090.62"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624/transcript/61436/annotation/594","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Resolution, where he just put in a fraudulent resolution and got old Fulbright to pass it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624#t=3090.62,3097.73"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624/transcript/61436/annotation/595","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And later on, Fulbright admitted that he found out it was false and all those men were sent over there and killed.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624#t=3097.73,3106.28"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624/transcript/61436/annotation/596","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So I, I didn't.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624#t=3106.28,3107.81"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624/transcript/61436/annotation/597","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Then old Yarborough up at Austin had fought him on the Vietnam War.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624#t=3107.81,3113.6"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624/transcript/61436/annotation/598","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So he got Bentsen to come in and run against Yarborough, and they defeated him.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624#t=3113.6,3118.11"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624/transcript/61436/annotation/599","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Because he had the machine in Texas.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624#t=3118.11,3121.34"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624/transcript/61436/annotation/600","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Those are my conclusions on it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624#t=3121.34,3124.19"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624/transcript/61436/annotation/601","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Louis Marchiafava: I take it he was involved in some, in some shenanigans here in Texas, before?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624#t=3124.19,3130.6"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624/transcript/61436/annotation/602","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Douglas W. McGregor: Johnson?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624#t=3130.6,3131.0"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624/transcript/61436/annotation/603","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Louis Marchiafava: Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624#t=3131.0,3132.02"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624/transcript/61436/annotation/604","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Douglas W. McGregor: Oh, it's in the books, that Haley book; I think the fellow's name was Haley.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624#t=3132.02,3136.85"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624/transcript/61436/annotation/605","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"About his stealing the votes down in Starr County and so on, getting himself elected to the Senate when the election should have gone to Coke Stevenson,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624#t=3136.85,3146.84"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624/transcript/61436/annotation/606","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"according to Haley. But that's ancient history.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624#t=3146.84,3153.77"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624/transcript/61436/annotation/607","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"As a matter of fact, there was a recent exposé from an old Mexican ballot box keeper down there who said that he was the one that put in the second count","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624#t=3153.77,3163.55"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624/transcript/61436/annotation/608","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"of ballots giving Johnson the lead.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624#t=3163.55,3166.78"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624/transcript/61436/annotation/609","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That was about a year ago, wasn't it?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624#t=3166.78,3168.0"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624/transcript/61436/annotation/610","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sharon B. 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McGregor: When Johnson became president.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624#t=3208.67,3213.06"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624/transcript/61436/annotation/619","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Oh, I want to cancel that answer.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624#t=3213.06,3215.76"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624/transcript/61436/annotation/620","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I am not a Republican.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624#t=3215.76,3217.0"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624/transcript/61436/annotation/621","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sharon B. Endelman: I was gonna, I knew that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624#t=3217.0,3218.1"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624/transcript/61436/annotation/622","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Louis Marchiafava: Oh, I'm sorry.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624#t=3218.1,3219.72"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624/transcript/61436/annotation/623","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Douglas W. McGregor: You double shot me there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624#t=3219.72,3228.4"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624/transcript/61436/annotation/624","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Louis Marchiafava: And do you have any?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624#t=3228.4,3229.47"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624/transcript/61436/annotation/625","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sharon B. Endelman: Well, I thought we might back up a, a little bit.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624#t=3229.47,3232.05"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624/transcript/61436/annotation/626","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We've kind of gotten ahead, but we didn't discuss when you were chairman of the Harris County Young Democrats, or, um, as president","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624#t=3232.05,3241.95"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624/transcript/61436/annotation/627","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"of the Democrats in I think '34 and '35.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624#t=3241.95,3245.73"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624/transcript/61436/annotation/628","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And I thought maybe you might be able to tell us about who else was active in the, the Young Democrats at that time?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624#t=3245.73,3252.14"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624/transcript/61436/annotation/629","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Douglas W. McGregor: Well, I tried to find some of my records, and I also called other people who are still alive.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624#t=3252.14,3257.39"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624/transcript/61436/annotation/630","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And I only found one item.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624#t=3257.39,3260.66"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624/transcript/61436/annotation/631","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Unfortunately, at the time I clipped it, I didn't dated.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624#t=3260.66,3263.36"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624/transcript/61436/annotation/632","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But here are the three first presidents of the Young Democrats, Byron McCullough.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624#t=3263.36,3270.77"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624/transcript/61436/annotation/633","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Robert L. Cole Junior.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624#t=3270.77,3271.9"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624/transcript/61436/annotation/634","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And I called those men, they do not have any records.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624#t=3271.9,3275.33"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624/transcript/61436/annotation/635","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And, uh, then myself there, and you may have this clipping, as I say, unfortunately, I didn't, uh, Byron McCullough in the middle and","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624#t=3275.33,3285.65"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624/transcript/61436/annotation/636","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Robert L. 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He was quite active in business here in town.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624#t=3331.56,3335.01"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624/transcript/61436/annotation/642","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"George Eddy was a member, and George Eddy later ran for mayor and so forth.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624#t=3335.01,3343.14"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624/transcript/61436/annotation/643","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I think Lewis Dixon, one of our district judges, was a member.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624#t=3343.14,3350.58"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624/transcript/61436/annotation/644","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I started to call him and then I didn't do it because Mr.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624#t=3350.58,3355.8"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624/transcript/61436/annotation/645","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dixon is, uh, very ill.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624#t=3355.8,3358.62"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624/transcript/61436/annotation/646","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"He has this, uh, palsy disease.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624#t=3358.62,3363.3"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624/transcript/61436/annotation/647","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It's not just palsy, it's this thing up in your head, you know, it's, uh.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624#t=3363.3,3369.32"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624/transcript/61436/annotation/648","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, I can't think of it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624#t=3369.32,3370.99"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624/transcript/61436/annotation/649","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Any rate I talked to him about a year ago and he was asking me about some of the men who were over here, watched a meeting; 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We stayed away from that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624#t=3631.65,3636.73"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624/transcript/61436/annotation/695","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Stayed away from that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624#t=3636.73,3638.95"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624/transcript/61436/annotation/696","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We had, uh, when we went to these conventions, the group would get together and put up two dollars and a half, five dollars apiece to send somebody, just","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624#t=3638.95,3649.24"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624/transcript/61436/annotation/697","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"like we sent McCullough to Dallas.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624#t=3649.24,3650.93"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624/transcript/61436/annotation/698","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That was probably a dollar a piece, something like that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624#t=3650.93,3654.22"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624/transcript/61436/annotation/699","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Everybody chipped in. 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And under the statutes that we have in the state.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624#t=3782.27,3787.31"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624/transcript/61436/annotation/721","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So he went and got all these fellows indicted and prosecuted and convicted them.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624#t=3787.31,3792.02"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624/transcript/61436/annotation/722","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And then they proceeded to defeat, I think, a man by name of Dixie Smith, who proceeded to defeat him at the next election.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624#t=3792.02,3806.46"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624/transcript/61436/annotation/723","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Louis Marchiafava: Do you have any more questions in that area?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624#t=3806.46,3808.8"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624/transcript/61436/annotation/724","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sharon B. Endelman: Uh, no-","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624#t=3808.8,3810.78"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624/transcript/61436/annotation/725","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Louis Marchiafava: I'd like to talk about your efforts at the mayor's office in 1957?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624#t=3810.78,3816.93"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624/transcript/61436/annotation/726","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Douglas W. McGregor: Efforts to what? For the mayor's office?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624#t=3816.93,3819.63"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624/transcript/61436/annotation/727","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"My?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624#t=3819.63,3820.14"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624/transcript/61436/annotation/728","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Louis Marchiafava: Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624#t=3820.14,3821.92"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624/transcript/61436/annotation/729","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Douglas W. McGregor: Oh, perhaps-","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624#t=3821.92,3822.48"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624/transcript/61436/annotation/730","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Louis Marchiafava: Didn't you-","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624#t=3822.48,3823.38"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624/transcript/61436/annotation/731","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Douglas W. McGregor: You have some misinformation on that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624#t=3823.38,3826.65"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624/transcript/61436/annotation/732","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I never ran for mayor, or tried to.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624#t=3826.65,3829.26"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113618/file/216624/transcript/61436/annotation/733","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sharon B. 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