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First of all, would you tell us a little of your background, such as where you born, your educational background and how you got","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112787/file/215387#t=9.02,18.92"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112787/file/215387/transcript/64829/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"to Houston?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112787/file/215387#t=18.92,20.78"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112787/file/215387/transcript/64829/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, I'm a native, uh, native of Gonzales, Texas.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112787/file/215387#t=20.78,26.21"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112787/file/215387/transcript/64829/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Of course, if you know anything about Gonzales, you know that that is a historical place in Texas, too.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112787/file/215387#t=26.21,34.46"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112787/file/215387/transcript/64829/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"My father was a Methodist Minister, and, uh, we, he asked, pastored in Gonzales and","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112787/file/215387#t=34.46,44.3"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112787/file/215387/transcript/64829/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Seguin, Texas, as Minister, as Methodist Minister's do, they have an itinerary, they go around many places.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112787/file/215387#t=44.3,55.55"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112787/file/215387/transcript/64829/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I happen to be their first born child of three.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112787/file/215387#t=55.55,61.22"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112787/file/215387/transcript/64829/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And as we lived in Gonzales, I think I left there in the","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112787/file/215387#t=61.22,70.46"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112787/file/215387/transcript/64829/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"ministry about the age of four.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112787/file/215387#t=70.46,76.7"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112787/file/215387/transcript/64829/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We went to Seguin, Texas, and of course, my mother was a native of Gonzales","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112787/file/215387#t=76.7,86.84"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112787/file/215387/transcript/64829/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"also. She came from the Smith family, West Smith family at Gonzales, and of course, my","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112787/file/215387#t=86.84,96.68"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112787/file/215387/transcript/64829/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"grandmother and all there; so we never lost touch with Gonzales.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112787/file/215387#t=96.68,101.46"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112787/file/215387/transcript/64829/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We, Seguin is just about thirty-two miles from there, so we had, always back down there in the summer with 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is because that he had a coupon there and he possibly didn't","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112787/file/215387#t=1948.64,1958.39"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112787/file/215387/transcript/64829/annotation/276","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"get but five or six coupons.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112787/file/215387#t=1958.39,1962.23"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112787/file/215387/transcript/64829/annotation/277","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112787/file/215387#t=1962.23,1962.86"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112787/file/215387/transcript/64829/annotation/278","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And, uh, where if he had the same coupon in the daily paper, it would just flow in.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112787/file/215387#t=1962.86,1971.64"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112787/file/215387/transcript/64829/annotation/279","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Now, I don't know how many came in from, from where, but it is pretty hard for him just to have it in for a Black","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112787/file/215387#t=1971.64,1981.28"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112787/file/215387/transcript/64829/annotation/280","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"community, you know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112787/file/215387#t=1981.28,1982.6"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112787/file/215387/transcript/64829/annotation/281","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"How did you explain that though?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112787/file/215387#t=1982.6,1983.98"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112787/file/215387/transcript/64829/annotation/282","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, the only thing I explained to him about was, certainly, um, they didn't bring in the coupon,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112787/file/215387#t=1983.98,1993.97"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112787/file/215387/transcript/64829/annotation/283","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"but the fact that they were here and they came in and they shopped in your, your gro, your.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112787/file/215387#t=1993.97,2004.29"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112787/file/215387/transcript/64829/annotation/284","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":".. 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And you stayed in the ad business by yourself, say, from the  1930s or so until present.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112787/file/215387#t=2709.6,2720.21"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112787/file/215387/transcript/64829/annotation/390","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Can you reflect on any general changes during that particular time, for instance, doing, during the civil rights movement, were there any changes in the business","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112787/file/215387#t=2720.21,2730.02"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112787/file/215387/transcript/64829/annotation/391","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"climate?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112787/file/215387#t=2730.02,2730.62"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112787/file/215387/transcript/64829/annotation/392","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, I, I think this, certainly is the story that I told you before, where I got all the attention; now, they seldom know that I'm in.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112787/file/215387#t=2730.62,2741.09"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112787/file/215387/transcript/64829/annotation/393","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I come in and, and the receptionist handles it just as a, Well, he's busy now.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112787/file/215387#t=2741.09,2749.29"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112787/file/215387/transcript/64829/annotation/394","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Would you wait?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112787/file/215387#t=2749.29,2750.86"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112787/file/215387/transcript/64829/annotation/395","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We have some coffee and something.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112787/file/215387#t=2750.86,2751.94"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112787/file/215387/transcript/64829/annotation/396","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"When did, when do you think that that's, that sort of change started coming about?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112787/file/215387#t=2751.94,2756.99"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112787/file/215387/transcript/64829/annotation/397","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"You mean just about when it started?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112787/file/215387#t=2756.99,2758.82"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112787/file/215387/transcript/64829/annotation/398","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yeah. When you stopped being such a big event, and just became just another person coming in?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112787/file/215387#t=2758.82,2764.49"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112787/file/215387/transcript/64829/annotation/399","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I would say, I would say about, uh, fifteen or twenty years ago.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112787/file/215387#t=2764.49,2778.37"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112787/file/215387/transcript/64829/annotation/400","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"This would be like '55 or 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University of Texas, right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112787/file/215387#t=2821.18,2824.57"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112787/file/215387/transcript/64829/annotation/419","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yeah. This was, uh, this, you know, Carter Wesley, who was a publisher before that time, was also a","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112787/file/215387#t=2824.57,2834.35"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112787/file/215387/transcript/64829/annotation/420","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"lawyer. 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There are those certainly who moved away, but then there are others who come in, you know, since who have come in, in our places, and","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112787/file/215387#t=4622.09,4632.59"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112787/file/215387/transcript/64829/annotation/722","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"that type of thing. This is the only changed thing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112787/file/215387#t=4632.59,4633.79"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112787/file/215387/transcript/64829/annotation/723","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well sort of, attitude that the people reached up and put, put, made themselves, in effect, responsible for three hundred and forty-five thousand","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112787/file/215387#t=4633.79,4643.6"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112787/file/215387/transcript/64829/annotation/724","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"dollars in 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now.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112787/file/215387#t=4698.64,4700.05"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112787/file/215387/transcript/64829/annotation/737","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Of course I'm getting round in my sixties, sixty-five.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112787/file/215387#t=4700.05,4706.92"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112787/file/215387/transcript/64829/annotation/738","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So I'm taking it a little easy, I don't work as hard as I used 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I think, except I had, I have a son and he went into the service and he came back,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112787/file/215387#t=4753.51,4763.47"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112787/file/215387/transcript/64829/annotation/750","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"he went to work down at Hughes Tool.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112787/file/215387#t=4763.47,4766.2"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112787/file/215387/transcript/64829/annotation/751","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And, um, so he stayed down there for about, uh, six months, six or eight months; and he says,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112787/file/215387#t=4766.2,4776.13"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112787/file/215387/transcript/64829/annotation/752","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, dad, I, I think I'm going to change jobs.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112787/file/215387#t=4776.13,4780.72"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112787/file/215387/transcript/64829/annotation/753","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I say, Yeah?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112787/file/215387#t=4780.72,4784.06"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112787/file/215387/transcript/64829/annotation/754","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I said, Well, what do you think? 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yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112787/file/215387#t=5560.17,5560.92"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112787/file/215387/transcript/64829/annotation/877","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"How, how has it been for you, as a citizen of this city, as a voter in the community.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112787/file/215387#t=5560.92,5569.38"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112787/file/215387/transcript/64829/annotation/878","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"What sort of changes have you 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And that was opened up in 1944.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112787/file/215387#t=5596.16,5601.8"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112787/file/215387/transcript/64829/annotation/885","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But the next year in '46, was the first time that I actually voted,  down in Galena Park.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112787/file/215387#t=5601.8,5613.67"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112787/file/215387/transcript/64829/annotation/886","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"How many Blacks bothered to go down in the '30s, before '44?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112787/file/215387#t=5613.67,5617.66"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112787/file/215387/transcript/64829/annotation/887","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Say what?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112787/file/215387#t=5617.66,5618.14"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112787/file/215387/transcript/64829/annotation/888","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Before 1944, how many Blacks bothered to go down and vote in a general 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Election?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112787/file/215387#t=5624.81,5626.03"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112787/file/215387/transcript/64829/annotation/891","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yeah, in the General Election.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112787/file/215387#t=5626.03,5626.69"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112787/file/215387/transcript/64829/annotation/892","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, I don't 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We had no voting box here.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112787/file/215387#t=5660.52,5663.77"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112787/file/215387/transcript/64829/annotation/904","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But we did find out, along with, in this type thing, with the water district and with the","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112787/file/215387#t=5663.77,5673.43"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112787/file/215387/transcript/64829/annotation/905","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"civic club; and your always looking for something new, from the standpoint of civil rights, or for the good of the people, 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so.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112787/file/215387#t=5736.34,5738.26"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112787/file/215387/transcript/64829/annotation/916","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We found this out, so we go down and apply to a commissioners court.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112787/file/215387#t=5738.26,5743.42"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112787/file/215387/transcript/64829/annotation/917","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And of course, here again, I was in the group to go down there, so I was appointed to juries for this particular 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Every two years, they re-elect me.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112787/file/215387#t=5759.29,5764.27"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112787/file/215387/transcript/64829/annotation/921","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The situation is this, that I had an opportunity to see how many people actually voted.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112787/file/215387#t=5764.27,5773.06"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112787/file/215387/transcript/64829/annotation/922","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I 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It takes all kinds of shapes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112787/file/215387#t=6070.35,6073.2"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112787/file/215387/transcript/64829/annotation/970","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Some call me to see if I'm supporting any particular one, and I tell them, No, I'm not supporting, or if","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112787/file/215387#t=6073.2,6083.19"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112787/file/215387/transcript/64829/annotation/971","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I'm supporting a particular one, I'll let them know that I'm supporting him.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112787/file/215387#t=6083.19,6088.35"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112787/file/215387/transcript/64829/annotation/972","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But then I'm not doing any act, any active, uh, campaigning; I'm trying to sell him advertising.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112787/file/215387#t=6088.35,6097.5"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112787/file/215387/transcript/64829/annotation/973","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"You know, I handle bumper stickers, I handle other things that, uh, that pins, and fingernail files, Emery boards, I handle","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112787/file/215387#t=6097.5,6107.37"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112787/file/215387/transcript/64829/annotation/974","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"all that. 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We hadn't elaborate too much on that mind, but I think here is something that, um,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112787/file/215387#t=6529.35,6539.82"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112787/file/215387/transcript/64829/annotation/1044","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"the, the, um, schools, from the standpoint of the integration, we seem to have a lot a,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112787/file/215387#t=6539.82,6549.87"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112787/file/215387/transcript/64829/annotation/1045","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"a lot of trouble in this 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