{"@context":"http://iiif.io/api/presentation/3/context.json","id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/iiif/sb3ws8k317/manifest","type":"Manifest","label":{"en":["Martin, William"]},"logo":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/organizations/logo_images/000/000/252/original/HPL_ArchiveBannerCDM2.jpg?1738348845","metadata":[{"label":{"en":["Publisher"]},"value":{"en":["Houston Public Library Special Collections"]}},{"label":{"en":["Rights Statement"]},"value":{"en":["\u003cp\u003e\u003ca href=\"https://rightsstatements.org/page/CNE/1.0/?language=en\"\u003eCopyright Not Evaluated \u003c/a\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\u003cp\u003ePlease contact the Houston History Research Center, Houston, Texas. To request item: https://digital.houstonlibrary.org/reproductions-and-copyright\u003c/p\u003e"]}},{"label":{"en":["Agent"]},"value":{"en":["Martin, William (Interviewee)","Courtwright, David (Interviewer)"]}},{"label":{"en":["Date"]},"value":{"en":["July 09, 1975 (created)"]}},{"label":{"en":["Language"]},"value":{"en":["English (primary)"]}},{"label":{"en":["Description"]},"value":{"en":["\u003cp\u003eInterview with sociologist William Martin about his life and career as an educator and researcher.\u003c/p\u003e"]}},{"label":{"en":["Format"]},"value":{"en":["Videocassette tape, sound"]}},{"label":{"en":["Subject"]},"value":{"en":["Houston (Tex.) (geographic)","Research","Sociology","Rice University","Oral histories","Education","Teachers"]}},{"label":{"en":["Type"]},"value":{"en":["Sound"]}},{"label":{"en":["Custom Identifier"]},"value":{"en":["OH0118"]}},{"label":{"en":["Note"]},"value":{"en":["Original"]}},{"label":{"en":["Funding Note"]},"value":{"en":["This project was made possible in part by the Institute of Museum and Library Services [ARPML-250908-OMLS-22]."]}}],"summary":{"en":["\u003cp\u003eInterview with sociologist William Martin about his life and career as an educator and researcher.\u003c/p\u003e"]},"requiredStatement":{"label":{"en":["Attribution"]},"value":{"en":["\u003cp\u003e\u003ca href=\"https://rightsstatements.org/page/CNE/1.0/?language=en\"\u003eCopyright Not Evaluated \u003c/a\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\u003cp\u003ePlease contact the Houston History Research Center, Houston, Texas. To request item: https://digital.houstonlibrary.org/reproductions-and-copyright\u003c/p\u003e"]}},"provider":[{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/aboutus","type":"Agent","label":{"en":["Houston Public Library"]},"homepage":[{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/","type":"Text","label":{"en":["Houston Public Library"]},"format":"text/html"}],"logo":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/organizations/logo_images/000/000/252/original/HPL_ArchiveBannerCDM2.jpg?1738348845","type":"Image"}]}],"thumbnail":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/collection_resource_files/thumbnails/000/215/494/small/open-uri20231108-480-667wfl_1699465324.jpg?1699447328","type":"Image","format":"image/jpeg"}],"items":[{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494","type":"Canvas","label":{"en":["Media File 1 of 1 - open-uri20231108-480-667wfl.mp4"]},"duration":5121.68533,"width":640,"height":360,"thumbnail":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/collection_resource_files/thumbnails/000/215/494/small/open-uri20231108-480-667wfl_1699465324.jpg?1699447328","type":"Image","format":"image/jpeg"}],"items":[{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/content/1","type":"AnnotationPage","items":[{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/content/1/annotation/1","type":"Annotation","motivation":"painting","body":{"id":"https://aviary-p-houstonlibrary.s3.wasabisys.com/collection_resource_files/resource_files/000/215/494/original/open-uri20231108-480-667wfl.mp4?1699447289","type":"Video","format":"video/mp4","duration":5121.68533,"width":640,"height":360},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494","metadata":[]}]}],"annotations":[{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["OH0118WilliamMartin [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/1","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Interview with Dr. William C.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2.72,5.3"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Martin, held at Rice University on Wednesday, July 9th, 1975.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=5.3,17.49"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"To begin the interview, Dr. Martin, would you tell us a little","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=17.49,21.29"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"bit about how you came to be interested in the sociology of religion?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=21.29,26.67"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I grew up in a fundamentalist church, the Churches of Christ, in","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=26.67,33.39"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"South Texas from birth onward.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=33.39,40.39"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"When I was 14, I started preaching in the Church of Christ.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=40.39,46.23"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Held a few revival meetings, but did mostly preaching on Sundays in","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=46.23,54.01"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and around San Antonio and cities south.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=54.01,56.31"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I preached most every Sunday for probably about three years in high school.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=56.31,62.47"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Then went from there to Abilene Christian College to study for the ministry.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=62.47,69.55"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So there's seven years of active work and preparation.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=69.55,77.19"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Then took a master's degree in Bible at Abilene.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=77.19,81.33"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Went to Harvard Divinity School for seminary training.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=81.33,85.49"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Graduated from there in 1963.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=85.49,87.29"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"At some point while I was still at Abilene, I decided rather","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=87.29,92.43"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"than to preach, I would prefer to teach religion in college.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=92.43,98.49"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But I still was working as an associate minister and chaplain and","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=98.49,102.55"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"things like that along the way.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=102.55,104.55"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Then toward the end of my seminary training, I decided to go","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=104.55,112.25"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"into a program called Religion and Society, which was ethics, sociology,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=112.25,116.81"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"religion, and a third interdisciplinary field.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=116.81,119.87"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Because I was more and more interested in sociology, I made that","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=119.87,122.71"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"sociology, urban problems, social problems, things like this.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=122.71,127.59"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"My PhD was about two-thirds sociology and one-third ethics.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=127.59,134.59"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I can't remember a time really when I wasn't interested in religion,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=134.59,139.55"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"in fundamentalist religion.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=139.55,140.79"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The transition has been one from being on the inside seeking to","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=140.79,148.57"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"spread it to gradually getting distance from it and now trying to","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=148.57,154.87"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"understand both its strengths, which I believe it has, and its weaknesses.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=154.87,160.27"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"When you are working, so to speak, in the field, does the","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=160.27,164.43"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"fact that you are a sociologist lead to distrust among churchgoers?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=164.43,172.27"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Somewhat.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=172.27,173.71"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"There is some feeling that a lot of people don't know exactly","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=173.71,180.61"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"what sociology is.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=180.61,182.95"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"If they have any idea about it, they tend to be a","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=182.95,185.21"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"little skeptical of it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=185.21,186.13"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Some who understand fully what it is do not think that religion","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=186.13,189.61"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"ought to be one of the subjects that is studied as other","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=189.61,192.49"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"kinds of subjects.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=192.49,194.39"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I would say that it is more than offset by the fact","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=194.39,199.53"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"that I know the language of the field very well.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=199.53,204.33"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It is my native tongue and it is not hard for me,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=204.33,207.47"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"though I don't consciously dissemble.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=207.47,212.07"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It is easy for me to refer to people as brother and sister.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=212.07,217.53"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/46","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I don't make mistakes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=217.53,220.93"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"There are times","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=220.93,231.93"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"when a person who is a novice, who doesn't understand, might use","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=231.93,238.23"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/49","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"the wrong term.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=238.23,240.05"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/50","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I will not go in and pretend to be something I am not.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=240.05,244.23"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/51","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"On the other hand, I won't make foolish mistakes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=244.23,248.73"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/52","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"You won't be condescending?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=248.73,250.49"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/53","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I won't be condescending, I think, but I won't call something by","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=250.49,256.329"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/54","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"the wrong words.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=256.329,257.29"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/55","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I don't have to ask, why in the world are you doing that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=257.29,261.27"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/56","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I know enough about the area that this helps me overcome a","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=261.27,266.05"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/57","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"lot of mistakes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=266.05,266.87"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/58","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The problem I really have, most of the time when I am","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=266.87,272.37"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/59","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"in the field, I begin by saying I am writing an article,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=272.37,277.61"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/60","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"a book, something like that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=277.61,279.89"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/61","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Have you written anything else?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=279.89,281.11"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/62","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yes, I have written a biblical history, a Bible encyclopedia, some articles","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=281.11,286.65"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/63","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"on such and such.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=286.65,288.35"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/64","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I don't tell everything I have written, but the things that are","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=288.35,292.19"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/65","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"pertinent, I can tell them.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=292.19,295.37"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/66","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Where I go to church, if they ask that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=295.37,301.55"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/67","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Generally, later on, by the time they press me, do you do","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=301.55,305.03"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/68","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"anything else?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=305.03,306.39"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/69","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I tell them, of course, I teach.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=306.39,308.21"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/70","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Where do you teach?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=308.21,308.83"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/71","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"At Rice.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=308.83,310.17"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/72","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"By then, usually I have allayed enough of their fears, where it","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=310.17,314.09"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/73","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"doesn't really seem to be much of a problem.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=314.09,315.75"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/74","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The problem I have more, I think, as kind of an ethical","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=315.75,318.73"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/75","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"problem, is that people that I am talking to assume more things","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=318.73,326.83"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/76","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"about me, in terms of being favorable to them, than is maybe the case.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=326.83,332.41"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/77","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"They are often assuming you are with us, rather than trying to","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=332.41,337.47"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/78","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"be objective, and sometimes that gets to be a bit of a hazard.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=337.47,345.15"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/79","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Some purely descriptive questions now.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=345.15,347.83"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/80","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Which are the leading denominations in Houston?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=347.83,351.43"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/81","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, Southern Baptists are way out ahead of everybody else.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=351.43,356.21"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/82","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"There are something like a quarter of a million Southern Baptists in Houston.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=356.21,361.07"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/83","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"About what percentage of all churchgoers do they claim?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=361.07,367.27"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/84","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I am really not sure.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=367.27,371.81"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/85","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It depends on what you classify as a churchgoer.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=371.81,375.09"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/86","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Howard Kaplan at Baylor University College of Medicine, a sociologist there,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=375.09,383.07"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/87","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"did a survey in about 1965-66, in which he said that","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=383.07,388.17"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/88","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"something like 95% of the people in Houston claim to be","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=388.17,392.47"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/89","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"churchgoers, at least some.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=392.47,395.43"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/90","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Only about 5% claim never to go to church.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=395.43,399.43"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/91","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, that is obviously too high a figure for regular churchgoers.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=399.43,403.13"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/92","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And it is no doubt too high a figure for church members.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=403.13,409.35"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/93","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But a very high percentage of people in Houston claim to be","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=409.35,415.23"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/94","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"churchgoers, occasionally.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=415.23,419.55"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/95","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And if you have a quarter of a million Baptists, who probably","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=419.55,421.81"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/96","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"have a pretty good record at churchgoing, but there are also some","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=421.81,424.33"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/97","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"of them who are just born Baptists, rather than born again.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=424.33,428.35"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/98","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And you would have to scale down both the population and the","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=428.35,434.47"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/99","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"churchgoers, but it would be probably 15-20%.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=434.47,437.73"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/100","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So you would say that church statistics, like criminal statistics, tend to","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=437.73,442.01"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/101","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"be unreliable?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=442.01,445.73"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/102","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=445.73,447.21"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/103","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I don't know if there is unreliable criminal statistics.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=447.21,449.69"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/104","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But they are difficult to rely upon, because some organizations, for example,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=449.69,458.19"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/105","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Pentecostal and Holiness churches, some of them, even Churches of Christ, which","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=458.19,463.23"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/106","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"is a major Pentecostal or Holiness family establishment in Texas, have","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=463.23,473.2"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/107","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"no central place that they send their statistics.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=473.2,476.5"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/108","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The only way you've got any statistics is calling the individual churches,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=476.5,480.36"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/109","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and they're not usually all that concerned about it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=480.36,482.82"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/110","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So they are, yes, unreliable.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=482.82,486.72"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/111","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Do denomination members tend to cluster geographically, say Baptists in Pasadena?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=486.72,497.38"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/112","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I suppose there is some of this, because you have...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=497.38,501.9"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/113","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, sure, there is some of it, because denominations tend to correlate","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=501.9,508.6"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/114","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"with social strata.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=508.6,511.539"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/115","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"You have more upper-class people are Episcopalian, and so I expect","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=511.539,516.62"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/116","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"your highest group of Episcopalians probably live in River Oaks.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=516.62,521.44"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/117","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"There are probably more Episcopalians, proportionately, than Baptists.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=521.44,529.86"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/118","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Baptists, Pentecostal churches, certainly are more highly represented in","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=529.86,535.18"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/119","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"working-class areas, more so for Pentecostal churches, than would be the","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=535.18,540.16"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/120","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"case for Southern Baptists.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=540.16,541.8"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/121","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Baptists are so numerous that you have them in all social classes,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=541.8,548.5"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/122","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"probably more than any other denomination, with the possible exception of Methodists.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=548.5,554.22"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/123","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Do most churches actively recruit new members in a way that brings","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=554.22,559.44"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/124","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"them into conflict with other churches?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=559.44,564.7"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/125","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I don't think you have too much active recruitment.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=564.7,574.44"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/126","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I have in my mind this picture of the churches stratified with","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=574.44,582.04"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/127","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Episcopalians and then Presbyterians...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=582.04,584.34"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/128","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yeah, that sort of thing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=584.34,587.2"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/129","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"In that sense, above Baptists, I don't think you have much evangelism.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=587.2,594.82"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/130","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Let me put the question this way.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=594.82,596.32"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/131","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Is it important for an up-and-coming young minister to have","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=596.32,599.42"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/132","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"a big flock?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=599.42,603.69"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/133","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, it's better to have a big one than a small one.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=603.69,606.99"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/134","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That's one of the measures of success.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=606.99,608.89"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/135","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It's a tangible measure.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=608.89,611.35"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/136","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It's probably more helpful to have a big flock than to have","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=611.35,618.97"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/137","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"a small flock with an active social service program, in terms of","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=618.97,623.47"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/138","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"his own career advancement, career advancement in terms of moving up to","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=623.47,629.79"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/139","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"district superintendent or bishop or whatever is appropriate for his","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=629.79,632.93"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/140","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"denomination, the bigger church.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=632.93,635.13"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/141","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Obviously, the size of your Sunday school, the size of the contribution,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=635.13,642.43"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/142","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"the budget, the program, all of these are important and it takes","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=642.43,647.61"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/143","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"big churches to run those.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=647.61,651.71"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/144","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I want to pursue this matter of the budget a little further.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=651.71,654.65"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/145","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"How systematic are the financial arrangements in the Protestant churches here","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=654.65,660.45"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/146","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"in Houston?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=660.45,662.37"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/147","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I don't exactly...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=662.37,663.93"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/148","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Would you clarify a little bit what you mean?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=663.93,665.65"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/149","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, is there some sort of formal tithing arrangement?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=665.65,669.57"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/150","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I suspect that varies.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=669.57,671.23"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/151","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I know of some churches that have formal tithing, but I don't","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=671.23,675.41"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/152","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"think...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=675.41,677.31"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/153","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"probably very many do and more.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=677.31,679.47"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/154","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"There are things like, I think that some churches have what they","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=679.47,683.59"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/155","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"call an every member canvas in which a board from the church","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=683.59,688.17"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/156","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"or a committee from the church talks to every member of the...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=688.17,691.69"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/157","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"some representative talks to every member of the church and tries to","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=691.69,695.15"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/158","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"get them to make some kind of pledge for the coming year.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=695.15,698.69"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/159","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Probably most of the churches, or at least a good many of","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=698.69,702.51"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/160","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"the churches, try to get some kind of pledge out of their","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=702.51,707.41"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/161","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"members.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=707.41,709.23"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/162","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Some churches make an effort to see to it that people keep","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=709.23,714.19"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/163","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"their pledges with pledge envelopes and things like that and keep a","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=714.19,717.47"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/164","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"record of how well they're giving it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=717.47,719.89"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/165","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Probably it's more common just to run it on the honor system,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=719.89,722.83"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/166","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and of course there's not really any mortgage that you sign to","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=722.83,727.13"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/167","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"put that in, so there's not any way to enforce it except","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=727.13,730.31"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/168","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"appealed conscience.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=730.31,734.97"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/169","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dick Gregory once remarked that the Bible is a good con.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=734.97,740.07"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/170","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"While it is certainly wrong to condemn all solicitations, surely there are","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=740.07,744.83"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/171","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"some charlatans operating in Houston.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=744.83,748.35"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/172","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Oh sure.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=748.35,749.77"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/173","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sure there are, you know, in the ministry, in the medical profession,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=749.77,753.85"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/174","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"legal profession, academic profession, there are certainly charlatans.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=753.85,761.23"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/175","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Would you care to name?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=761.23,765.89"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/176","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"No, because I'm working on a couple of cases that I'm not","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=765.89,774.4"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/177","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"too sure of, but I doubt that you would have, say, in","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=774.4,781.92"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/178","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"the major churches, outright charlatans.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=781.92,784.86"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/179","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, that's hard to say.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=784.86,789.92"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/180","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"There may be some that I certainly don't know anything about.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=789.92,794.6"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/181","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Probably in every successful minister there is a mixed motive.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=794.6,798.66"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/182","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"He is interested in either saving souls or doing good for humanity,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=798.66,803.74"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/183","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and in being a successful minister, there's something about being a minister,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=803.74,808.42"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/184","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"it's about being a teacher or a writer.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=808.42,809.96"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/185","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"There is an ego need, and that's corrupting to a certain extent,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=809.96,818.48"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/186","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"but as far as for people, in the sense perhaps that Gregory","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=818.48,822.2"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/187","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"is using it, people using the Bible as a straight way of","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=822.2,826.84"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/188","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"conning people out of their money, that can happen in some independent","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=826.84,833.51"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/189","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"churches where a minister sort of owns the church, but by no","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=833.51,841.31"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/190","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"means does it happen at all.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=841.31,843.39"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/191","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I know some cases of churches where ministers have been, it is","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=843.39,851.55"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/192","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"alleged at least, I'm trying to check on it, have run into","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=851.55,855.25"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/193","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"difficulty with the post office for mail fraud.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=855.25,860.65"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/194","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"There are others whom I hear about, some of the independent evangelistic","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=860.65,863.99"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/195","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"associations, which is the thing I'm really most interested in.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=863.99,867.11"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/196","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"They're always under suspicion because often they are owned in their charter","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=867.11,873.49"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/197","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"by, the man is the president, his wife is vice president or","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=873.49,880.71"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/198","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"secretary treasurer, and they have a good friend who is the other","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=880.71,883.29"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/199","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"member of the board.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=883.29,883.97"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/200","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And it's very difficult to know exactly where the money goes, they're","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=883.97,891.09"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/201","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"not required often to give an accounting for it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=891.09,896.37"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/202","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So there is that possibility, as in the film Marjo, there is","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=896.37,902.09"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/203","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"the possibility that a man running a church like that can siphon","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=902.09,907.33"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/204","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"off some of the money.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=907.33,908.17"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/205","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It's turned out in my experience more often that these people are","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=908.17,913.29"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/206","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"often struggling for their lives, and doing well to meet the bills,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=913.29,920.21"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/207","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and not draining off all that much.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=920.21,926.05"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/208","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Do ministers tend to police themselves?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=926.05,928.69"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/209","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Is there a kind of understood blacklist among ministers that so and","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=928.69,933.75"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/210","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"so is on the make?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=933.75,937.73"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/211","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, it depends somewhat on the...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=937.73,941.85"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/212","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"One of the things that's important to remember, I think, in talking","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=941.85,944.41"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/213","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"about religious groups is the importance of church polity.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=944.41,948.29"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/214","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"If you've got, like in the Roman Catholic Church, Episcopal Church, Methodist","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=948.29,952.01"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/215","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Church, you've got bishops who have a fairly direct control over the","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=952.01,959.91"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/216","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"ministers for whom they're responsible.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=959.91,962.29"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/217","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"They have to report to them, they can change them around in","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=962.29,966.77"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/218","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"their jobs, they are answerable to them, and can pretty well keep","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=966.77,972.97"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/219","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"a close watch.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=972.97,975.84"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/220","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"At the other extreme, you have congregational polity with things like the","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=975.84,979.94"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/221","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Churches of Christ, and to a large extent Baptist churches, many Pentecostal","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=979.94,984.76"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/222","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"churches, not all, where the congregation is the whole world.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=984.76,988.9"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/223","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That's the whole organization, even though it may be kind of associational","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=988.9,992.68"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/224","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"ties, but the minister answers really to nobody other than the local","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=992.68,997.08"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/225","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"congregation.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=997.08,999.08"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/226","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"In some churches, like for example the Churches of Christ, there is","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=999.08,1004.66"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/227","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"strong congregational polity, there is no organization above the church.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=1004.66,1008.36"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/228","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But there are things like ministerial groups, the ministers from the Churches","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=1008.36,1013.2"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/229","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"of Christ will get together, say in Houston, once or twice a","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=1013.2,1017.1"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/230","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"month for lunch, and if somebody is a crook or doctrinally unsound","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=1017.1,1024.38"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/231","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"or running around with one of the deacon's wives, well that information","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=1024.38,1030.079"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/232","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"tends to get out and puts a fellow under some kind of","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=1030.079,1038.579"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/233","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"onus, so he can be ostracized and people will, it can hurt","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=1038.579,1042.94"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/234","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"his career, he may have great difficulty transferring to another city.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=1042.94,1047.52"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/235","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I think generally ministers, as other people do not, they are hurt","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=1047.52,1052.38"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/236","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and recognize they are hurt when an Elmer Gantry or Marjo, somebody","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=1052.38,1056.78"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/237","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"like that, shows up in their ranks, and it seems to me","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=1056.78,1059.96"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/238","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"the vast majority are sincere and opposed to this.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=1059.96,1064.1"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/239","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Along these lines, the Rev. A.M. McGeechee of the Braver and","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=1064.1,1070.0"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/240","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Presbyterian Church once remarked that the image of a minister is different","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=1070.0,1075.32"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/241","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"here in Houston.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=1075.32,1076.7"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/242","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"He is not the authority figure he is in the Deep South.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=1076.7,1080.88"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/243","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"People view him on a more businesslike basis.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=1080.88,1086.86"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/244","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I'm not sure I'm in a position to say for sure on","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=1086.86,1093.52"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/245","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=1093.52,1094.5"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/246","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It's plausible.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=1094.5,1096.72"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/247","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Certainly there is, I think Houston is perhaps above all a businesslike","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=1096.72,1104.22"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/248","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"city.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=1104.22,1106.62"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/249","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I talked to a man recently who was interested in doing a","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=1106.62,1109.52"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/250","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"documentary on Houston as the pursuit of life, liberty, and the pursuit","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=1109.52,1114.5"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/251","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"of happiness, that particular aspect.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=1114.5,1117.58"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/252","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"He had been sent here and his feeling, as mine was, that","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=1117.58,1120.46"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/253","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"if you're going to talk about happiness in conventional terms, then probably","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=1120.46,1124.78"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/254","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"California is more the place to go.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=1124.78,1126.44"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/255","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"If you're going to talk about it in the way that Jefferson","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=1126.44,1129.18"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/256","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"originally had the idea of the pursuit of property, then Houston is","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=1129.18,1135.14"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/257","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"probably the place to be.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=1135.14,1137.5"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/258","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It seems to me there are very few places in the country","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=1137.5,1140.16"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/259","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"where the work ethic is as strong as it is in Houston.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=1140.16,1145.06"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/260","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And that no doubt with the industry and the business and the","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=1145.06,1150.84"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/261","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"go-getter kind of mentality probably fills over into the churches quite","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=1150.84,1156.92"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/262","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"strongly.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=1156.92,1157.5"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/263","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And probably in the Deep South there may be more of a","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=1157.5,1160.96"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/264","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"sense of the minister as authority.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=1160.96,1163.72"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/265","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It may not be.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=1163.72,1164.5"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/266","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It may be that really the minister there is a rather weak","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=1164.5,1169.02"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/267","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"figure.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=1169.02,1170.12"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/268","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It's hard for me to say about that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=1170.12,1171.8"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/269","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"For all of the secular values, we don't have any ministers in","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=1171.8,1178.36"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/270","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Houston that are given to conspicuous consumption like the Reverend Ike.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=1178.36,1201.8"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/271","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I know that he is patterning himself after Reverend Ike and that","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=1201.8,1205.2"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/272","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"he has or does drive a Rolls Royce, one or more.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=1205.2,1211.86"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/273","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"He probably is the nearest thing to it, but he's not really","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=1211.86,1216.84"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/274","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"big time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=1216.84,1217.76"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/275","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I think he's not too well known outside of the city.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=1217.76,1223.14"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/276","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So, I don't know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=1223.14,1224.56"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/277","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We certainly don't have anybody of the magnitude of Reverend Ike, but","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=1224.56,1228.28"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/278","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"neither does anybody else except New York City because there's not but","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=1228.28,1231.62"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/279","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"one Reverend Ike.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=1231.62,1235.53"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/280","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I think in answer to your question, generally, I don't know of","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=1235.53,1238.85"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/281","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"any ministers who are obviously quite wealthy, at least not from, there","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=1238.85,1246.21"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/282","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"may be some of independent means.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=1246.21,1247.87"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/283","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And the ministers from the larger churches probably live in finer homes","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=1247.87,1252.51"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/284","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"in better areas, just like the executives in the larger businesses.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=1252.51,1282.18"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/285","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, there's no question that the charismatic movement is a new and","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=1282.18,1288.44"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/286","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"significant, relatively new at least, and significant movement.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=1288.44,1294.18"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/287","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It has two major wings.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=1294.18,1298.62"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/288","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"One is the kind of moving into respectability of traditional Pentecostal","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=1298.62,1304.0"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/289","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"churches, which traditionally have their beginning in America on New Year's","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=1304.0,1309.58"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/290","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Eve, 1900.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=1309.58,1310.52"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/291","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It's sort of the turn of the century when the Holy Spirit","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=1310.52,1314.1"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/292","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"broke in in Topeka, Kansas under the invitation of the Reverend Charles","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=1314.1,1319.82"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/293","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Parham, and then moving from there to the Azusa Street revival in","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=1319.82,1324.74"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/294","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Los Angeles, and then spreading into the Pentecostal revival all over the","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=1324.74,1328.86"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/295","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"United States and the world, especially strong in Europe, Africa, South","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=1328.86,1335.8"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/296","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"America.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=1335.8,1343.07"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/297","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Now","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=1343.07,1373.05"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/298","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"it's spoken of as the third force in Christendom.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=1373.05,1373.15"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/299","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"They've calmed down their Pentecostal enthusiasm, and as some evangelists who","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=1373.15,1380.17"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/300","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"are very Pentecostal would say, they've got no more spirit than the","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=1380.17,1383.21"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/301","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Methodists.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=1383.21,1385.67"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/302","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Heaven forbid.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=1385.67,1386.93"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/303","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That's right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=1386.93,1389.55"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/304","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And you have groups that are, this is, as Pentecostalism has become","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=1389.55,1397.53"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/305","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"more widespread, well then, beginning probably with the healing revivals, which","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=1397.53,1405.35"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/306","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"had their, there had been healing evangelists before, but beginning with","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=1405.35,1410.57"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/307","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"William Branham and Oral Roberts in the late 40s and through the","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=1410.57,1414.17"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/308","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"50s, and then, oh, many more.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=1414.17,1416.93"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/309","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And many, many others put on the tape that there is a","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=1416.93,1422.39"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/310","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"book out by David Edward Harrell, published by the University of Indiana","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=1422.39,1428.48"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/311","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Press, on the healing revival since World War II, and it's a","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=1428.48,1436.74"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/312","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"very thorough treatment of these evangelists.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=1436.74,1442.99"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/313","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But this has just grown out within the Pentecostal world, but the","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=1442.99,1447.73"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/314","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"second aspect of the charismatic revival, and one of the most, one","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=1447.73,1454.35"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/315","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"that's really gotten the attention is the outbreak of charismatic gifts,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=1454.35,1458.49"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/316","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"particularly tongue speaking and healing in the traditional mainline","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=1458.49,1464.59"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/317","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"denominations that haven't had this.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=1464.59,1466.25"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/318","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The first Episcopalians were some of the first, but now Methodist","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=1466.25,1469.67"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/319","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Presbyterians, Roman Catholics, a large charismatic Roman Catholic movement,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=1469.67,1474.75"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/320","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and at the Charles and Francis Hunter meetings, there will be representatives","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=1474.75,1479.41"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/321","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"of all of these present.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=1479.41,1480.69"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/322","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And churches like Evangelistic Temple, which is the largest, advertises itself","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=1480.69,1485.55"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/323","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"at least, I trust it probably is, certainly flourishing, largest charismatic","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=1485.55,1490.25"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/324","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"community in Houston, will be drawn a lot from people who have","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=1490.25,1496.85"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/325","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"come out of the main churches and have found it difficult to","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=1496.85,1500.17"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/326","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"stay in their mainline churches, such as the Baptists, who have kind","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=1500.17,1504.21"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/327","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"of officially censured tongue speaking.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=1504.21,1507.31"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/328","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, they go to a place like Evangelistic Temple, which is a","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=1507.31,1511.15"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/329","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"middle class kind of place where this goes on in a, not","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=1511.15,1517.64"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/330","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"exactly subdued, but dignified sort of way.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=1517.64,1521.6"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/331","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Church of the Redeemers, Episcopalian church, it's Pentecostal, virtually","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=1521.6,1526.76"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/332","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"entirely.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=1526.76,1527.24"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/333","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So this is, there are two prongs, and the charismatic revival in","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=1527.24,1533.56"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/334","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"the mainline denominations is much more a thing of the last ten","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=1533.56,1536.48"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/335","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"years, and certainly is one of the more significant things, I think,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=1536.48,1542.78"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/336","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"happening in American religion generally.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=1542.78,1546.2"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/337","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Is it possible to articulate a theology for the charismatic movement, or","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=1546.2,1550.86"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/338","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"is it so intensely emotional?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=1550.86,1552.48"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/339","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Oh no, there's all sorts of theology coming out of the movement.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=1552.48,1562.12"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/340","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The Hunters themselves have published something like 15 or 16 books.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=1562.12,1566.3"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/341","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"They don't claim to be theologians so much, and the books are","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=1566.3,1570.64"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/342","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"not, well I think it's fair to say they're not profound theological","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=1570.64,1577.64"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/343","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"treatises.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=1577.64,1578.16"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/344","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But there is a theology of the movement.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=1578.16,1584.2"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/345","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The charismatic gifts have their foundation in the New Testament, certainly","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=1584.2,1590.08"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/346","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"were reported to have existed in the early church, and there is","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=1590.08,1594.96"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/347","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"dispute.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=1594.96,1595.66"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/348","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"There are some churches which teach that the charismatic gifts did not","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=1595.66,1598.78"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/349","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"exist beyond the early church, but the evidence is, it can run","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=1598.78,1603.7"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/350","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"both ways.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=1603.7,1604.14"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/351","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"You can find support for both positions as to whether it went","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=1604.14,1607.14"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/352","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"on or whether it quit.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=1607.14,1612.02"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/353","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And they feel like that we are in the latter days.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=1612.02,1616.76"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/354","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"One of the underlying beliefs of the charismatic churches is that we","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=1616.76,1624.64"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/355","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"are in the last days before Christ comes again, and the millennium","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=1624.64,1628.58"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/356","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"is set up, and that these gifts are attending the soon coming","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=1628.58,1636.5"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/357","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"end.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=1636.5,1638.02"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/358","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That the bad things that are happening in the world are another","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=1638.02,1642.46"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/359","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"sign.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=1642.46,1644.02"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/360","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"All sorts of emphasis on prophecy, biblical prophecy being fulfilled, Israel","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=1644.02,1649.52"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/361","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"being restored, temples going to be rebuilt, earthquakes, wars, rumors of wars,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=1649.52,1657.14"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/362","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"dope, crime.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=1657.14,1659.5"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/363","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Do the Armstrongs fit into this?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=1659.5,1661.66"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/364","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yes, they're not Pentecostal at all.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=1661.66,1664.42"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/365","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"They're very anti-Pentecostal, but they certainly put a strong emphasis on","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=1664.42,1670.8"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/366","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"prophecy and do believe.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=1670.8,1673.4"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/367","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"In fact, the Armstrongs have believed for at least two decades that,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=1673.4,1679.98"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/368","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"even though now they deny it, the documentary evidence is incontrovertible.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=1679.98,1683.98"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/369","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"They believed that the millennium was going to begin in January 1972,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=1683.98,1693.14"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/370","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and there were people who took out loans, not expecting to pay","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=1693.14,1698.54"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/371","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"them back, just like that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=1698.54,1700.82"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/372","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The millennium, as always, kept on not coming.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=1700.82,1704.6"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/373","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But the Armstrongs certainly do fit into that aspect.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=1704.6,1709.46"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/374","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"They're millennial, but not Pentecostal.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=1709.46,1714.04"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/375","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Nothing more earth-shattering than the re-inauguration of Nixon on that","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=1714.04,1718.68"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/376","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"particular day.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=1718.68,1721.98"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/377","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"While we're on theology, where do Houston ministers receive their theological","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=1721.98,1726.62"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/378","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"training?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=1726.62,1727.58"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/379","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dallas?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=1727.58,1728.18"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/380","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Tulsa?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=1728.18,1728.84"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/381","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Are there centers for this kind of thing?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=1728.84,1730.74"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/382","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, again, it depends on the denomination.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=1730.74,1732.4"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/383","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I am told that the major Methodist ministers—if you want to be","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=1732.4,1739.82"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/384","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"a successful Methodist minister in Texas, you better go to SMU, Perkins.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=1739.82,1745.84"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/385","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I don't know exactly where the Episcopalian ministers receive—where Texas","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=1745.84,1752.66"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/386","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Episcopalians receive their training.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=1752.66,1754.7"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/387","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Southern Baptists are likely to go to Southwestern.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=1754.7,1757.84"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/388","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I think they have something like 5,000 students in seminary.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=1757.84,1762.8"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/389","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But there's also New Orleans Baptist Seminary, Southern Seminary at Louisville.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=1762.8,1770.1"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/390","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I would guess that a very high percentage of the Southern Baptist","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=1770.1,1775.24"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/391","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"ministers in Texas receive seminary training at one of those three schools.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=1775.24,1780.54"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/392","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Catholics, of course, have their local seminaries by diocese.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=1780.54,1786.56"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/393","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Are these seminaries known by their ideologies?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=1786.56,1790.58"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/394","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Do they have a progressive reputation and others a conservative reputation?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=1790.58,1795.44"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/395","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Oh, sure.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=1795.44,1796.82"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/396","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Perkins would be a liberal school.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=1796.82,1800.58"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/397","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dallas Theological Seminary, which is strongly premillennial.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=1800.58,1806.74"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/398","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That's where R.B. Thieme, for example, from Baraka received his training.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=1806.74,1812.44"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/399","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Where a number of quite conservative ministers receive their training is","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=1812.44,1821.91"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/400","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"perhaps the most conservative major seminary in the state.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=1821.91,1830.81"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/401","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The Pentecostal churches, those that believe in seminaries or Bible college","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=1830.81,1837.77"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/402","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"training, have their schools.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=1837.77,1843.07"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/403","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sidney Ahlstrom in A Religious History of the American People has commented","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=1843.07,1847.23"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/404","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"on the tendency of evangelicals to align themselves with conservative,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=1847.23,1852.39"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/405","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"nationalistic, and racist politics.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=1852.39,1855.31"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/406","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Have you observed this phenomenon in Houston?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=1855.31,1859.57"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/407","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yes, I think that occurs.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=1859.57,1867.13"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/408","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"There are anomalies in that some Pentecostal churches, though working class,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=1867.13,1874.81"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/409","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"have had a rather remarkable, especially in some of the independent","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=1874.81,1880.01"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/410","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"organizations, rather good witness on race, that they may be pretty well","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=1880.01,1888.33"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/411","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"integrated and doesn't seem to cause much stir.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=1888.33,1892.19"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/412","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But in general, there is, I think, a kind of nativistic response,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=1892.19,1900.97"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/413","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"perhaps in the face of rapid change, a","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=1900.97,1910.71"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/414","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"loss of alienation, all the traditional kinds of things.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=1910.71,1914.41"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/415","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The sense that the traditional values are breaking down, what's the world","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=1914.41,1918.67"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/416","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"coming to, and let's go back religiously, politically, all of these things.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=1918.67,1925.21"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/417","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"There is a grasping onto fundamentals.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=1925.21,1930.93"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/418","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And the Baraka Baptist Church would be a paradigm of this?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=1930.93,1934.05"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/419","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yes, I think Baraka is not Baptist.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=1934.05,1937.29"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/420","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Anyway, the Baraka Church certainly is a major example of conservative","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=1937.29,1944.15"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/421","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"theology, conservative politics, racism.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=1944.15,1953.9"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/422","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Is there much strife between factions of denominations, say progressive and","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=1953.9,1958.62"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/423","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"conservative Methodists?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=1958.62,1960.32"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/424","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I don't know if there is all that much in the Methodists.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=1960.32,1962.94"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/425","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The Methodists have kind of come through that, and I don't know","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=1962.94,1967.64"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/426","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"if there are that many truly conservative Methodists.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=1967.64,1971.42"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/427","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"You have it more in churches like the Baptists, who are getting","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=1971.42,1975.62"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/428","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"large enough, who are large enough certainly, and have enough members of","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=1975.62,1981.84"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/429","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"their group who have a lot of education, a lot of money,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=1981.84,1985.64"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/430","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"the kinds of things that may have given them experiences that cause","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=1985.64,1990.42"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/431","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"them to call into question the more fundamentalist aspects of their teachings.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=1990.42,1998.88"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/432","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"There are disagreements within congregations.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=1998.88,2002.46"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/433","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"There are disagreements between congregations.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2002.46,2005.68"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/434","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Probably that's somewhat more common in that a church, and the Churches","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2005.68,2010.28"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/435","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"of Christ have this.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2010.28,2011.5"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/436","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"By and large the Churches of Christ are very conservative.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2011.5,2014.82"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/437","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But there are one or two churches of Christ in Houston which","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2014.82,2019.62"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/438","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"are recognized as liberal Churches of Christ, and some of the others","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2019.62,2024.36"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/439","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"won't have much to do with them because they are too liberal.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2024.36,2028.76"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/440","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So that occurs, although I think it's probably possible to categorize by","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2028.76,2035.64"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/441","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"denomination pretty well.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2035.64,2040.49"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/442","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"One last question on values.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2040.49,2044.08"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/443","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"What is the attitude of the evangelical sex towards the women's movement?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2044.08,2049.219"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/444","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, this is interesting.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2049.219,2054.05"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/445","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It's split.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2054.05,2055.409"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/446","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The strongest representatives in Texas against the women's movement come from","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2055.409,2060.33"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/447","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"the Churches of Christ.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2060.33,2062.05"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/448","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Reporters have said that fully 65 to 70 percent of the women","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2062.05,2066.989"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/449","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"campaigning in Austin, picketing, lobbying, The pink ladies.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2066.989,2070.37"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/450","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The pink ladies are from the Churches of Christ.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2070.37,2075.08"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/451","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"A lot of the people in the Bill Gothard movement now, the","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2075.08,2082.05"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/452","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"various kinds of seminars, Total Woman seminars, things like this, a large","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2082.05,2086.27"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/453","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"percentage of those are women from the Churches of Christ who have","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2086.27,2089.15"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/454","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"a strict, many of them have a strict kind of view that","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2089.15,2094.54"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/455","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"women are to be submissive to their husbands, the husbands are to","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2094.54,2097.38"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/456","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"lead.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2097.38,2098.02"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/457","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"This is pretty widely taught within the Churches of Christ.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2098.02,2101.58"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/458","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"On the other hand, I have been to, within the last year,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2101.58,2105.54"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/459","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"a rather large conference sponsored by two Churches of Christ at which","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2105.54,2111.32"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/460","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"a sizable number of women took not a radical feminist point of","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2111.32,2117.78"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/461","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"view, but a definite feminist point of view and said women should","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2117.78,2121.42"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/462","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"have every right in the Church that men should have.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2121.42,2124.72"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/463","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I wouldn't say it was the dominant view at the conference, but","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2124.72,2127.1"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/464","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"it was strongly represented by articulate women.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2127.1,2129.92"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/465","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So even within the Churches of Christ, which probably represent the strongest","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2129.92,2133.44"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/466","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"position among evangelicals against feminism, there is a positive attitude","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2133.44,2143.42"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/467","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"toward feminists.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2143.42,2144.98"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/468","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Within the Pentecostal churches, virtually from the beginning, women have","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2144.98,2149.06"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/469","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"served as ministers of Pentecostal churches and they are really quite proud,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2149.06,2154.34"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/470","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and I think justifiably proud of their record on that, that in","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2154.34,2159.42"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/471","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"most Pentecostal churches, perhaps in all, but certainly in most, women do","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2159.42,2163.88"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/472","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"take leading roles, have for a long time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2163.88,2170.52"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/473","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Again, you have to go by group.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2170.52,2175.06"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/474","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Within the Baptists, there is a growing kind of development, but there","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2175.06,2181.6"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/475","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"is still a lot of resistance to it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2181.6,2185.52"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/476","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I would imagine that abortion is quite an issue in these denominations.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2185.52,2190.68"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/477","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"In some, yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2190.68,2196.02"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/478","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I'm not sure, but you don't have the greatest opposition to abortion","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2196.02,2202.32"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/479","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"probably.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2202.32,2204.54"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/480","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Where there is real opposition to it is probably among Catholics.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2204.54,2208.6"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/481","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Within the others, I suspect there are a lot who simply kind","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2208.6,2212.94"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/482","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"of go along with, well, now abortion is okay, or others who","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2212.94,2217.56"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/483","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"say, my, I could never consider abortion, but who don't have much","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2217.56,2221.68"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/484","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"of a real theological basis for it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2221.68,2227.28"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/485","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"They're apt to go along with the pervasive argument rather than the","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2227.28,2231.66"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/486","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"persuasive one, just whatever happens to be dominant.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2231.66,2235.52"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/487","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That may be unfair.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2235.52,2237.28"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/488","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"In Houston, were a lot of Protestants who might have felt against","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2237.28,2241.62"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/489","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"abortion, were they scared off by all these Papists out campaigning against","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2241.62,2245.72"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/490","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"it?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2245.72,2246.08"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/491","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"They didn't want to align themselves with what was thought to be","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2246.08,2249.02"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/492","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"a Catholic cause?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2249.02,2250.9"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/493","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I don't know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2250.9,2251.48"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/494","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I hadn't really thought about that, but that's possible.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2251.48,2256.52"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/495","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"There has been in Texas, I think forever, a long-standing feeling","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2256.52,2264.46"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/496","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"that the Catholics are them.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2264.46,2272.34"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/497","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"There is some suspicion, I suspect, on the part of many, that,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2272.34,2277.68"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/498","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"well, that's just what Catholics feel.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2277.68,2281.92"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/499","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Of course, they're not even proverbial.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2281.92,2283.9"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/500","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"They'll kind of lump it all at once.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2283.9,2286.38"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/501","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It seems to me like the abortion, quite a surprise to me.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2286.38,2290.14"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/502","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"When I was in seminary ten years ago, I took a graduate","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2290.14,2295.52"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/503","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"seminar on ethical issues and things like genetic counseling and","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2295.52,2304.62"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/504","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"experimentation on humans and population and herbicides and things like that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2304.62,2313.14"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/505","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"One of the issues was abortion, and we argued the thing pretty","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2313.14,2318.46"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/506","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"heatedly.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2318.46,2321.3"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/507","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"About any of the most liberal students would argue would be that","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2321.3,2326.96"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/508","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"under certain cases, say a rape, unknown deformity, that abortion might be","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2326.96,2336.46"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/509","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"allowed.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2336.46,2336.9"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/510","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I don't think any of us could have predicted that now, that","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2336.9,2344.76"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/511","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"the strongest statement a candidate would make against abortion just about","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2344.76,2349.28"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/512","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"would be, well, I'm personally against it, but I think people ought","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2349.28,2353.28"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/513","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"to have the right to make that decision themselves.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2353.28,2355.4"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/514","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I have just been astounded at the flipover on that particular question.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2355.4,2359.58"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/515","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I think it is an excellent example of how fallacious the notion","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2359.58,2366.62"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/516","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"is that you can't change laws until you change people's minds.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2366.62,2371.02"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/517","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That's just not true.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2371.02,2372.96"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/518","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"By changing the New York State law, which was not changed by","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2372.96,2376.56"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/519","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"referendum, but by lobbying in the legislature, by getting it out, all","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2376.56,2381.18"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/520","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"of a sudden, instead of becoming an outrageous thing to talk about","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2381.18,2385.3"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/521","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"abortion, it was considered very déclassé to be against it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2385.3,2392.82"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/522","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It was a case of where the attitudes changed after the law.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2392.82,2396.76"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/523","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The law changed, well, that's the law, I guess we better go","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2396.76,2399.04"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/524","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"along with it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2399.04,2399.7"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/525","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I think a lot of people have changed.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2399.7,2402.64"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/526","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I have been interested in talking to people about abortion, and they","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2402.64,2406.98"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/527","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"maybe give two or three clichés about why we should be for","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2406.98,2411.36"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/528","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"it or against it, but haven't really thought about it all that","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2411.36,2414.54"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/529","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"much.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2414.54,2416.98"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/530","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I suspect a lot of people who ten years ago would have","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2416.98,2419.46"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/531","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"thought abortion was unthinkable, now would consider it rather routine if they","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2419.46,2424.14"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/532","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"really wanted one.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2424.14,2425.44"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/533","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Is the pendulum swinging back in Houston today, or is it for","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2425.44,2429.26"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/534","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"all intents and purposes a dead issue?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2429.26,2432.2"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/535","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"On abortion?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2432.2,2432.76"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/536","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I don't know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2432.76,2435.62"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/537","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I haven't kept up with the issue enough to know what the","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2435.62,2438.68"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/538","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"feeling is.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2438.68,2443.28"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/539","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"My guess is, and it should be recognized to be that, is","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2443.28,2448.94"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/540","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"that probably Houston is moving along like pretty much the rest of","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2448.94,2455.19"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/541","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"the country on that question, and that abortion will become more and","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2455.19,2459.09"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/542","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"more seen as rather equivalent to birth control.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2459.09,2465.35"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/543","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Okay, minority religions now.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2465.35,2468.45"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/544","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Which denominations dominate the black community?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2468.45,2472.57"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/545","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Baptists, Methodists, Pentecostal.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2472.57,2476.91"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/546","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"A growing number of Catholic, black Catholics, but less so here than","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2476.91,2485.57"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/547","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"in, say, the golden triangle of Port Arthur, Beaumont, Orange, and in","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2485.57,2490.63"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/548","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"San Antonio, along where Catholicism is stronger than any of Houston.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2490.63,2499.93"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/549","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Have you observed any pie-in-the-sky style anti-clericalism among","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2499.93,2505.79"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/550","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"black militants who would allege that the church or churches are detracting","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2505.79,2512.21"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/551","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"from immediate social issues?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2512.21,2518.09"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/552","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Oh, I feel sure there is.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2518.09,2521.01"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/553","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"There is some.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2521.01,2525.07"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/554","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"There hasn't been a lot, or there is, I'm just not paying","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2525.07,2528.91"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/555","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"that close attention, there hasn't been all that much loud black militants","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2528.91,2536.15"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/556","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"in the past.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2536.15,2536.81"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/557","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"In Houston in the past few years, and so I don't know","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2536.81,2540.59"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/558","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"whether you could call it anti-clerical or not.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2540.59,2543.59"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/559","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"You've got people like Bill Lawson and Reverend C.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2543.59,2547.71"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/560","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Anderson Davis, and of course the school board.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2547.71,2556.14"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/561","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Oh, the Reverend Everett?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2556.14,2557.92"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/562","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yeah, C.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2557.92,2559.14"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/563","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Leon Everett.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2559.14,2561.84"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/564","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"These are some of the most visible spokesmen of the black community,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2561.84,2567.36"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/565","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and they also happen to be clerics, so they don't have to","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2567.36,2570.6"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/566","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"be too anti-clerical.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2570.6,2572.76"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/567","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I think the black church in Houston still is a very viable","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2572.76,2577.0"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/568","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"organization and is not simply a kind of remnant of old ladies","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2577.0,2582.46"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/569","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and the downcast.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2582.46,2586.06"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/570","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"They seem to be pretty viable.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2586.06,2589.06"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/571","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Is it still pretty much segregated?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2589.06,2591.32"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/572","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2591.32,2592.76"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/573","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"At the Evangelistic Temple, is there segregation there?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2592.76,2598.08"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/574","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"This is, I take it, a clearing house for different creeds and","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2598.08,2601.76"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/575","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"races to come through to these charismatic meetings.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2601.76,2605.6"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/576","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Even there, is it still pretty much segregated?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2605.6,2607.98"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/577","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, my guess is that probably very little would be said or","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2607.98,2616.94"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/578","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"is said as to whether or not blacks wanted to come.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2616.94,2621.76"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/579","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I think it's more like many other churches.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2621.76,2624.74"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/580","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Blacks would be probably welcome but don't come.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2624.74,2627.74"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/581","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It is not integrated.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2627.74,2630.1"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/582","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"There are, I can't recall if I have ever seen a black","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2630.1,2634.34"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/583","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"person at Evangelistic Temple.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2634.34,2637.02"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/584","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I'm not sure that I haven't, but certainly one doesn't notice them.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2637.02,2642.04"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/585","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It is overwhelmingly a white church.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2642.04,2645.6"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/586","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And yet there are probably black churches that could be called charismatic.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2645.6,2649.94"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/587","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Oh, sure.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2649.94,2651.92"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/588","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"There are all kinds of charismatic black churches.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2651.92,2656.52"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/589","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Which Houston churches have historically taken the most progressive stands on","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2656.52,2661.76"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/590","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"race?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2661.76,2669.4"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/591","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I don't really know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2669.4,2677.08"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/592","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I was not in Houston during the mid-60s when this would","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2677.08,2683.22"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/593","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"have been most visible.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2683.22,2685.44"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/594","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I can tell you which churches took the most progressive stand in","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2685.44,2688.62"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/595","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rochester, New York in the 60s because I was doing my thesis","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2688.62,2693.34"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/596","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"on that subject then.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2693.34,2695.46"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/597","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But I really don't know about that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2695.46,2699.88"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/598","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I just can't speak with any kind of authority.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2699.88,2705.54"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/599","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Notable ministers.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2705.54,2707.48"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/600","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Who are some of the more famous local preachers who have gone","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2707.48,2711.74"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/601","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"on to the big time, say, of radio?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2711.74,2715.34"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/602","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Or have there been any?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2715.34,2717.94"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/603","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, let me start with the name when you said notable ministers.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2717.94,2722.0"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/604","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Charles Allen, who is the pastor of the First Methodist Church, he","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2722.0,2725.86"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/605","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"is said to have brought more people into the Methodist Church than","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2725.86,2732.12"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/606","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"any other living man.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2732.12,2735.54"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/607","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"He has a church of I think 9,000 members, something like","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2735.54,2739.38"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/608","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2739.38,2739.56"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/609","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"He has written a number of books that have sold very widely","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2739.56,2745.36"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/610","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and is certainly well recognized within the Methodist Church and within the","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2745.36,2749.82"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/611","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"religious sort of moderately conservative, moderately liberal religious","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2749.82,2756.52"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/612","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"community as a whole.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2756.52,2760.66"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/613","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kenneth Chafin at the South Main Baptist Church is well known throughout","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2760.66,2768.72"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/614","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"the Southern Baptist Churches.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2768.72,2770.12"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/615","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I don't know if he is very well known outside Southern Baptist","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2770.12,2772.52"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/616","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Churches.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2772.52,2772.98"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/617","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"He hasn't written all that much.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2772.98,2774.64"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/618","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But he is extremely well known within the Baptist Churches.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2774.64,2778.66"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/619","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Preacher at the First Baptist Church, John Bassanio, is well known, although","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2778.66,2783.98"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/620","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"he is young.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2783.98,2784.6"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/621","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"This is I think his first really big, big church.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2784.6,2790.24"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/622","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But now if you are talking about preachers who have gone on","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2790.24,2793.46"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/623","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"to make national, who have left here or who are still here,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2793.46,2800.72"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/624","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Charles and Frances Hunter, at least Charles Hunter is a Houstonian, Frances","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2800.72,2804.88"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/625","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"married to him.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2804.88,2806.08"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/626","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"She was in Florida and moved here within the last five or","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2806.08,2810.12"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/627","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"six, seven years.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2810.12,2811.63"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/628","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"They are rapidly building a nation worldwide, world-renowned organization.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2811.63,2821.04"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/629","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Brian Rudd did not, born in Canada, been in Dallas until recently,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2821.04,2828.52"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/630","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"moved his headquarters to Houston, has a pretty good independent ministry.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2828.52,2834.32"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/631","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jerry B.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2834.32,2835.3"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/632","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Walker is a Assembly of God minister who has an independent ministry.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2835.3,2842.46"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/633","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"He holds, as he is doing right now, he holds a crusade","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2842.46,2846.48"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/634","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"here for about a month every summer.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2846.48,2850.36"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/635","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"His parents lived here.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2850.36,2851.44"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/636","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"He grew up apparently in Houston.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2851.44,2854.46"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/637","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"He is a native Texan.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2854.46,2856.74"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/638","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Charlie Shedd was a Houston pastor before.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2856.74,2861.36"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/639","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Now I think all he does is write his columns in his","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2861.36,2865.96"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/640","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"books.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2865.96,2866.62"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/641","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Father's Advice shows up in the Houston Post as a regular syndicated","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2866.62,2870.86"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/642","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"feature.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2870.86,2875.43"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/643","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"There may be other traveling evangelists who are not here,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2875.43,2884.69"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/644","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"but who are Houstonians that I just don't know about, but I","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2884.69,2889.47"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/645","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"don't think so.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2889.47,2891.71"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/646","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Is the written word the preferred medium for disseminating their ideas or","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2891.71,2899.07"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/647","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"do they occasionally go to radio or even television?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2899.07,2902.57"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/648","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, it depends.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2902.57,2910.45"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/649","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The Hunters have a weekly television program that is shown all over","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2910.45,2915.17"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/650","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"the country.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2915.17,2915.59"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/651","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"They also travel about many days a month in personal crusades, one","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2915.59,2921.67"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/652","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"night, two night, three night appearances in various parts all over the","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2921.67,2926.47"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/653","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"United States and other parts of the world.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2926.47,2930.61"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/654","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Brian Rudd tends to, I don't think he has written much, he","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2930.61,2935.49"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/655","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"has an autobiography, but other than that he just goes and holds","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2935.49,2940.55"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/656","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"one, two and three week crusades.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2940.55,2942.63"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/657","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jerry B.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2942.63,2943.59"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/658","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Walker has a radio program that is not widely heard, but it's","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2943.59,2948.81"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/659","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"on a few stations.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2948.81,2951.83"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/660","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dallas, by contrast, is the headquarters for a number of ministers, some","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2951.83,2955.97"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/661","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"of whom are on as many as 400 stations.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2955.97,2959.41"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/662","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But we don't have anybody in Houston of that magnitude.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2959.41,2963.43"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/663","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But some R.B. Thiem at Baraka puts out countless little","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2963.43,2972.93"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/664","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"pamphlets and tapes that are sent all over the country to churches","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2972.93,2977.91"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/665","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"of similar viewpoints.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2977.91,2981.73"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/666","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So it just depends on the clergyman.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2981.73,2988.96"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/667","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Mack Watson, who has a church here in Houston and also another","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2988.96,2992.64"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/668","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"one in Arkansas, is a radio preacher.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2992.64,2995.52"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/669","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wilcox is on the radio.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2995.52,2999.0"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/670","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Do these shows receive...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=2999.0,3005.64"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/671","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, I was about to ask you if these shows received a","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3005.64,3010.66"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/672","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"good Nielsen rating, as it were, but that's kind of an uninteresting","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3010.66,3014.4"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/673","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"question and I'd much rather talk about sin.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3014.4,3018.72"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/674","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The visitor to Houston is frequently surprised by the spectacle of nudie","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3018.72,3023.62"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/675","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"parlors and evangelical churches coexisting on the same block.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3023.62,3028.6"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/676","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Is the open city much denounced from the pulpit?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3028.6,3035.13"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/677","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I don't know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3035.13,3037.53"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/678","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I hear it some when I go to hear revivalists, but I'm","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3037.53,3045.33"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/679","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"not sure that's a fair contrast because the revivalists traditionally is heavy","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3045.33,3051.29"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/680","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"on the sin in the city.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3051.29,3052.83"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/681","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And I'm not sure what happens in the regular pulpits.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3052.83,3054.97"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/682","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I don't visit around all that much just from church to church,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3054.97,3060.63"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/683","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"so I really don't know that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3060.63,3062.79"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/684","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I wouldn't be surprised.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3062.79,3064.63"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/685","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Churches have been apparently responsible for several of the pressures that","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3064.63,3070.15"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/686","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"have led to several vice raids and some things like that, so","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3070.15,3072.85"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/687","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I wouldn't be surprised, but I don't know that that's the case.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3072.85,3076.73"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/688","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Is hell given much prominence in the evangelical churches?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3076.73,3083.3"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/689","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, again...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3083.3,3087.26"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/690","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"As a theological construct?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3087.26,3089.12"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/691","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3089.12,3089.72"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/692","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I think it is assumed in most of them and probably does","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3089.72,3096.04"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/693","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"play a pretty important role.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3096.04,3098.06"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/694","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The fear of hell can be quite palpable and real.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3098.06,3102.38"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/695","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I think it's Bernard Weisberger in They Gathered at the River spoke","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3102.38,3110.09"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/696","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"of the time during the revivalists and said to young boys, to","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3110.09,3113.51"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/697","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"a whole generation of young boys, Jesus was as real as George","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3113.51,3116.27"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/698","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Washington and hell as palpable as Pittsburgh.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3116.27,3122.51"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/699","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I grew up with no doubts in the world, not only that","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3122.51,3126.49"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/700","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"hell existed, but that my chances for going there were really very","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3126.49,3129.33"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/701","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"good.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3129.33,3129.69"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/702","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I don't have for moments doubt that the desire to avoid hell","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3129.69,3137.79"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/703","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"is very real on the part of many people.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3137.79,3141.21"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/704","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I don't know that it gets preached on all that much, but","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3141.21,3143.67"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/705","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"there's some.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3143.67,3145.31"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/706","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I've heard some in the last month, a couple of sermons that","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3145.31,3148.29"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/707","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"were pretty hard on it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3148.29,3150.21"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/708","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"As a sociologist, don't you find it anomalous that this string of,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3150.21,3156.37"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/709","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I guess, prospering evangelical churches has sprung up in the secular city?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3156.37,3164.81"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/710","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, I don't think Houston is a secular city.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3164.81,3170.69"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/711","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kenneth Chafin at the South Main Baptist Church said, Harvey Cox, who","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3170.69,3180.27"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/712","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"wrote The Secular City, wouldn't recognize Houston.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3180.27,3184.27"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/713","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The churches are a vital part of this city, at least.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3184.27,3192.03"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/714","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"By secular, I take to mean secular that people live their lives","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3192.03,3198.16"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/715","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"without reference to God, that they do not consider religious things in","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3198.16,3207.45"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/716","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"much of their lives.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3207.45,3210.27"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/717","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, obviously that's true in some cases, and of course it's true","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3210.27,3214.27"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/718","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"for some people rather completely.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3214.27,3215.91"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/719","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It is true in many of the areas of a lot of","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3215.91,3218.97"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/720","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"people's lives, that they may conduct their business according to, you know,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3218.97,3223.39"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/721","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"business is business, that kind of thing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3223.39,3225.67"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/722","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But I think that Houston people, perhaps more than","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3225.67,3236.52"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/723","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"any city, probably Texas more than any state in the Union, that","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3236.52,3245.3"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/724","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"religion is still not simply permanent, but really is a vital force.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3245.3,3251.74"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/725","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The Protestant ethic is alive and well here?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3251.74,3254.4"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/726","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"To be sure.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3254.4,3255.44"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/727","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"In a great many churches, growing up, people hear sermons while they're","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3255.44,3264.66"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/728","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"grown too.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3264.66,3265.98"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/729","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"If you're going to be a Christian, then you have a responsibility","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3265.98,3268.84"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/730","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"to be the best businessman you can be, the best athlete you","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3268.84,3271.82"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/731","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"can be, the best student you can be, the best whatever you're","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3271.82,3275.04"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/732","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"going to be.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3275.04,3275.8"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/733","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"If you're a Christian, then you owe it to yourself, to God,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3275.8,3278.34"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/734","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and to your fellow church members, and to your denominations, and to","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3278.34,3283.35"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/735","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"First Street Baptist Church to be the very best one.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3283.35,3288.75"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/736","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And that is, it's all part of a, it may not be","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3288.75,3293.69"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/737","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"pietistic, but it's certainly religious, that the religion is a vital,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3293.69,3300.97"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/738","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"important part of the culture, and informs a very great deal of","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3300.97,3304.61"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/739","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"what people do.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3304.61,3307.11"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/740","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Have young Houstonians adopted these values?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3307.11,3311.85"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/741","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"From what I can gather from talking to ministers, and these are","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3311.85,3315.47"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/742","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"mainly ministers who, like ministers with television programs in Houston,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3315.47,3322.85"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/743","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"ministers who are associated with councils of churches, and things like that,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3322.85,3327.49"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/744","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"the young in Houston are going, in many respects, like the young","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3327.49,3331.45"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/745","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"in other, the young adults in other parts of the country, and","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3331.45,3335.81"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/746","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"that they're drifting away from the churches, but not entirely.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3335.81,3339.69"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/747","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The South Main Baptist Church, for example, has over 600 single adults","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3339.69,3343.81"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/748","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"every Sunday in its singles program.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3343.81,3347.21"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/749","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That's a lot of folk.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3347.21,3349.33"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/750","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I have, that's more than, that's more than many churches in the","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3349.33,3353.47"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/751","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"city have members, and these are just singles in a special singles","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3353.47,3356.85"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/752","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"program.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3356.85,3357.93"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/753","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The Memorial Presbyterian Church, I've spoken to a class of theirs which","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3357.93,3366.01"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/754","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"is for, I think it's for divorced people.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3366.01,3368.17"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/755","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It may just be for single grownups, single adults, but most of","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3368.17,3373.81"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/756","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"them have been divorced.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3373.81,3375.33"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/757","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"A hundred people in a Sunday morning Sunday school program, and having","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3375.33,3379.81"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/758","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"all sorts of activities, but the church has the power in Houston,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3379.81,3384.89"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/759","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"as well as the rest of Texas, to get things done.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3384.89,3389.07"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/760","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"For example, the vote against parimutuel betting.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3389.07,3392.99"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/761","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"However one stands on the question, there can be little doubt that","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3392.99,3395.73"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/762","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"the combination of Baptist, Methodist, and Church of Christ defeated parimutuel","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3395.73,3400.99"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/763","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"betting, that particular referendum in the last election.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3400.99,3405.39"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/764","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That is a direct example of the church influencing the life of","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3405.39,3412.35"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/765","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"the state.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3412.35,3413.57"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/766","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The South Main Baptist Church has begun a counseling center in connection","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3413.57,3420.61"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/767","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"with some other churches, where they have thirty trained psychologists and","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3420.61,3425.17"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/768","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"psychiatrists working out of this one center.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3425.17,3427.21"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/769","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well that's, one church really is responsible for that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3427.21,3431.03"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/770","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That's more than some churches, some, all of the religions together have","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3431.03,3436.63"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/771","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"in some comparable cities.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3436.63,3438.43"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/772","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That you've got a quarter of a million Baptists, as Dr. Chafin","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3438.43,3443.35"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/773","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"said, if you've got a quarter of a million people that belong","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3443.35,3446.43"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/774","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"to one denomination, that just gives you some options you don't have","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3446.43,3449.19"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/775","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"in other places.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3449.19,3450.71"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/776","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"However that might be evaluated, there might be, there are a number","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3450.71,3453.59"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/777","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"of people, I'm sure you'd say, that's one of the things wrong","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3453.59,3455.77"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/778","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"with Houston, is that there's too many Baptists.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3455.77,3458.75"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/779","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Nevertheless, there are a lot of Baptists, and they are, they can","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3458.75,3464.95"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/780","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"make their way felt when they want to.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3464.95,3467.17"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/781","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Of course some young people are swept up in the Jesus movement,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3467.17,3471.27"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/782","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and I was under the impression that it tended to be anti","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3471.27,3474.43"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/783","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"-institutional, to shy away from the churches.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3474.43,3477.43"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/784","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yeah, I think that's true.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3477.43,3480.15"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/785","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Although there have been two phases in the Jesus movement, I think.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3480.15,3483.47"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/786","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The first phase, the early phase of the 60s, was pretty much","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3483.47,3489.29"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/787","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"anti-institutional, and it represented, I think, for many people, a kind","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3489.29,3493.43"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/788","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"of a halfway house.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3493.43,3497.27"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/789","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It was halfway out, some wanted to leave, they wanted to get","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3497.27,3501.55"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/790","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"away from their parents and the institutions and the major values of","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3501.55,3504.55"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/791","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"the society, and they adopted some that were still, it's hard for","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3504.55,3508.85"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/792","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"their parents to kick against their being all-out Christians.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3508.85,3512.61"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/793","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So they're going out in that direction.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3512.61,3514.61"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/794","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Others had tried, I've had members of the various Jesus groups come","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3514.61,3519.17"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/795","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and speak to my class, and they say, it's just a litany.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3519.17,3522.01"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/796","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I was into drugs, I was into Eastern religion, I was into","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3522.01,3524.47"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/797","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"radical politics, and now I found Jesus.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3524.47,3527.09"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/798","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It's like paying one's dues or something.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3527.09,3529.77"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/799","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yeah, and there it's a way to come back.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3529.77,3532.17"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/800","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I'm still radical, but I'm a Christian again.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3532.17,3537.13"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/801","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And this occurred, California, Oregon, Washington, wherever the major centers","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3537.13,3543.33"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/802","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"of the Jesus movement, this kind of thing happened with the first","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3543.33,3546.43"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/803","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"wave.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3546.43,3547.39"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/804","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Increasingly, say in the last two, three, four years, the people who","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3547.39,3550.91"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/805","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"could be fairly called Jesus people tend to be younger, much more,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3550.91,3558.81"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/806","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"much less radical, much less in rebellion.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3558.81,3560.85"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/807","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"They may be working through crisis with their parents, they may be","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3560.85,3563.83"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/808","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"just going through the typical, traditional period of adolescent religious","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3563.83,3568.91"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/809","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"experience.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3568.91,3570.37"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/810","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But the more recent Jesus people, from what empirical evidence exists, seem","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3570.37,3578.53"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/811","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"to be much more, it's been co-opted.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3578.53,3588.5"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/812","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The First Baptist Church in Houston has a lot of Jesus young","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3588.5,3593.0"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/813","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"people who call themselves Jesus people, and they root and have a","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3593.0,3597.04"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/814","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"kind of cheerleader church.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3597.04,3599.92"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/815","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But I think it's not so much an anti-establishment.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3599.92,3603.46"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/816","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So the decline of the first wave of the Jesus movement is","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3603.46,3606.94"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/817","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"part of a larger phenomenon, the decline of the counterculture.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3606.94,3610.62"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/818","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yeah, I think so.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3610.62,3614.56"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/819","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, did any ministers express concern at the anti-institutional tendencies of","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3614.56,3620.42"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/820","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"the first wave?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3620.42,3622.1"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/821","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Was there a conscious effort to bring them back into the fold?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3622.1,3628.19"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/822","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I'm sure they expressed concern, but I can't quote you any examples.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3628.19,3636.51"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/823","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Unless they do it over the media or publicly, I don't make","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3636.51,3645.37"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/824","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"rounds like a doctor going to all the churches on Sunday morning","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3645.37,3649.03"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/825","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"to see what's happening.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3649.03,3650.37"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/826","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So I can't really say.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3650.37,3652.79"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/827","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3652.79,3654.51"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/828","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, have you personally observed an upswing in religious activity on the","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3654.51,3659.29"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/829","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"local campuses?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3659.29,3662.18"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/830","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3662.18,3663.4"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/831","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"At Rice, this is the main one I can speak about.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3663.4,3668.02"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/832","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But when I first came here seven years ago, you might see","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3668.02,3673.8"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/833","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"some closet Christians.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3673.8,3675.5"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/834","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"People would tell you privately that they belonged to a church or","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3675.5,3680.54"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/835","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"something, but there was nothing like the Rice Christian community.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3680.54,3685.74"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/836","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Last year, two years ago, I had a student stop me on","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3685.74,3690.04"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/837","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"the way to the campus store and ask me if I wasn't","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3690.04,3694.04"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/838","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dr. Martin.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3694.04,3695.3"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/839","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And he had heard that I used to be religious and a","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3695.3,3697.38"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/840","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"minister.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3697.38,3698.6"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/841","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And he would just like to tell me what Jesus had done","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3698.6,3701.3"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/842","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"for him.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3701.3,3702.04"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/843","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And before he told me, he thought that perhaps the reason I","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3702.04,3705.84"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/844","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"had grown less religious is because Satan had got hold of me.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3705.84,3710.12"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/845","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And moreover, what was impressive about it was I was not offended","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3710.12,3713.46"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/846","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"by his doing this.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3713.46,3715.34"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/847","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It was a very sincere, articulate, concerned show of concern for my","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3715.34,3724.48"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/848","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"soul.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3724.48,3725.24"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/849","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And we have talked.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3725.24,3726.06"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/850","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We've become rather good friends and have talked about it a number","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3726.06,3728.3"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/851","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"of times since.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3728.3,3729.08"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/852","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"He is still concerned that I am lost, and certainly I am","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3729.08,3733.52"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/853","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"backslidden, whether that represents being lost or not.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3733.52,3737.88"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/854","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But he reads the signs correctly.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3737.88,3743.84"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/855","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It's just a matter of how they are to be interpreted.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3743.84,3747.62"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/856","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But that kind of thing would not have happened.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3747.62,3750.46"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/857","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I have students I see in my sociology or religion classes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3750.46,3755.5"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/858","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Everybody used to be more or less against religion, and above it","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3755.5,3758.2"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/859","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"now people give testimony in class.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3758.2,3762.18"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/860","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Things have just never happened before.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3762.18,3763.96"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/861","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sure, it's much more visible.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3763.96,3766.08"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/862","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I don't know numerically how much stronger it really is, but people","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3766.08,3773.82"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/863","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"have become more visible, and I think it's numerically stronger.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3773.82,3776.88"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/864","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, let's go to an opposite extreme now.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3776.88,3781.54"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/865","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Talk about the occult.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3781.54,3783.08"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/866","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Does Houston have much of an occult underground?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3783.08,3788.78"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/867","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, it's always hard to estimate the size of an underground.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3788.78,3793.1"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/868","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yeah, that's true.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3793.1,3794.0"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/869","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"There is some.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3794.0,3796.42"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/870","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"There are active covenants.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3796.42,3803.42"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/871","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Interestingly, apparently, I'm in touch with some people who are sort of","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3803.42,3811.38"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/872","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"major sociological students of the occult.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3811.38,3815.0"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/873","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Marcello Truzzi and some people like this are friends of mine, and","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3815.0,3818.14"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/874","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I learn more about the occult when I'm talking with them than","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3818.14,3821.06"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/875","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I do.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3821.06,3821.44"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/876","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I don't study all that much directly.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3821.44,3825.0"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/877","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But they say that where you have things like real Satanism and","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3825.0,3830.5"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/878","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"black masses and things like that, that that is stronger in places","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3830.5,3836.38"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/879","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"like Houston where there is a church to rebel against with some","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3836.38,3840.4"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/880","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"force.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3840.4,3841.1"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/881","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That in places like California, there's some of that, but it mainly","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3841.1,3844.46"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/882","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"just kind of doesn't have a lot of zip to it because","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3844.46,3847.46"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/883","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"they're not fighting the church.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3847.46,3850.38"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/884","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"A black mass doesn't have all that much meaning to you if","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3850.38,3854.72"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/885","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"the white mass doesn't.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3854.72,3858.02"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/886","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But apparently, there's the Phoenix Bookshop.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3858.02,3862.24"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/887","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"There are cult other bookshops that have occult centers.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3862.24,3866.86"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/888","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Apparently, Sibyl Leak thought there was enough occultism here to come.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3866.86,3871.5"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/889","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"There's a lot of interest in astrology and that sort of thing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3871.5,3874.42"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/890","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I don't know that it's more or less than other parts of","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3874.42,3879.42"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/891","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"the country.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3879.42,3879.8"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/892","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Is there something called the Houston Pagan Society?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3879.8,3883.46"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/893","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"There used to be.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3883.46,3884.76"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/894","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The Houston Pagan Church, anyway, if that's the same thing, on Welch","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3884.76,3888.46"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/895","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Street.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3888.46,3891.42"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/896","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"If that's what you're talking about, it's the only thing I knew","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3891.42,3894.4"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/897","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"that had the word pagan in its title.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3894.4,3896.7"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/898","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It lasted for five or six years.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3896.7,3900.24"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/899","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I think I could be slandering here, but I think it was","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3900.24,3903.72"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/900","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"a sort of a middle-aged couple that wanted some way to","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3903.72,3908.12"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/901","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"institutionalize free sex.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3908.12,3912.08"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/902","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"They would get people to come and be pagans and have intercourse","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3912.08,3918.22"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/903","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"with them.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3918.22,3920.06"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/904","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I don't think it had a very profound philosophical basis.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3920.06,3926.68"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/905","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That particular organization has at least left its headquarters, and I think","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3926.68,3931.4"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/906","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"it's just default.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3931.4,3933.02"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/907","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Did the motion picture of the exorcist arouse much comment in Houston?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3933.02,3939.08"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/908","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Oh, goodness, yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3939.08,3940.9"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/909","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"If nothing else, the fact that you couldn't get through the village","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3940.9,3943.4"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/910","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"for the lines.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3943.4,3946.02"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/911","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"There were lots of films on, especially in the evangelical churches, an","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3946.02,3952.92"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/912","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"enormous number of, not films, sermons, on exorcism, demons, demonology, a lot","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3952.92,3962.0"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/913","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"of conversation and talk about that, and I think that undoubtedly the","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3962.0,3966.58"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/914","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"film The Exorcist, before that, Rosemary's Baby, which has been given perhaps","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3966.58,3971.14"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/915","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"prior credit for stirring up the interest in the occult in this","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3971.14,3975.26"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/916","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"country.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3975.26,3976.14"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/917","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I mention that because of the remark of the student that Satan","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3976.14,3979.64"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/918","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"might have had at you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3979.64,3981.2"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/919","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Is that extraordinary that there should be this amount of discussion of","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3981.2,3988.18"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/920","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"the devil as an active force, or is that just inherent to","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3988.18,3991.94"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/921","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"evangelical denominations everywhere?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3991.94,3994.62"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/922","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, it's pretty common.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3994.62,3998.3"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/923","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"There is an assumption that just as God wants me to do","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=3998.3,4005.3"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/924","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"this, the Lord led me to do something, that Satan works against","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4005.3,4008.8"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/925","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4008.8,4009.16"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/926","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"There's a very literal dualism that is the assumed nature of things,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4009.16,4017.44"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/927","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and that if you have bad impulses, it's really literally Satan, not","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4017.44,4024.5"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/928","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"something within yourself, and the Lord leads you to the good things.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4024.5,4028.76"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/929","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I think that it is...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4028.76,4032.22"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/930","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I grew up with that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4032.22,4033.94"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/931","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It's not so much a matter, I think, of a renewed interest","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4033.94,4037.14"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/932","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"in the occult, but it's just a feeling that, as in churches","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4037.14,4043.12"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/933","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"which emphasize prophecy and all that, there is a feeling that Satan","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4043.12,4046.48"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/934","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"works his hardest just before the end, so that his activity may","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4046.48,4053.86"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/935","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"be more energetic and intense right now.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4053.86,4059.08"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/936","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"As a sociologist now, do you feel that the belief in hell","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4059.08,4063.92"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/937","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and the active intervention of the devil is psychologically destructive?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4063.92,4075.39"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/938","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"No, not really.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4075.39,4077.77"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/939","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Um...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4077.77,4079.45"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/940","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It can be.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4079.45,4081.79"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/941","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sure, I suppose.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4081.79,4084.67"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/942","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4084.67,4085.27"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/943","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yeah, I believe it can be, but what you've got here, there","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4085.27,4088.43"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/944","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"are a variety of ways in which various peoples in the world","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4088.43,4094.19"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/945","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"have handled the problem of evil.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4094.19,4100.029"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/946","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"One of the major ones throughout, or at least since the Persians,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4100.029,4105.029"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/947","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"has been heaven and hell, a paradise and a hell, and a","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4105.029,4110.229"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/948","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"dualism, with a good power and an evil power.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4110.229,4115.01"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/949","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And that has been, for right at 22, 3, 400 years, one","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4115.01,4124.859"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/950","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"of the major forms with which people have explained the good and","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4124.859,4127.68"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/951","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"the evil in the world.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4127.68,4130.24"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/952","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And it seems to work.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4130.24,4133.16"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/953","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It is a system of thought, a cultural system that explains things,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4133.16,4140.08"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/954","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and it no doubt has its bad effects, and it also has","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4140.08,4143.54"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/955","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"its good effects.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4143.54,4146.319"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/956","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"You know, people...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4146.319,4147.1"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/957","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"You could also argue, I think that in some cases it might","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4147.1,4149.64"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/958","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"be psychologically healthy.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4149.64,4150.899"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/959","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"People are able to get rid of their own guilt and say,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4150.899,4152.819"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/960","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I'm not so bad, it's just Satan working on me.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4152.819,4155.08"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/961","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The devil made me do it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4155.08,4157.96"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/962","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That that can be...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4157.96,4159.399"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/963","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That might be a liberating thing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4159.399,4162.14"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/964","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I don't think that the belief itself need","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4162.14,4172.01"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/965","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"be all that psychologically damaging.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4172.01,4176.93"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/966","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I see mentally healthy people who believe that just about as often","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4176.93,4183.93"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/967","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"as I see mentally healthy people who don't believe it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4183.93,4187.47"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/968","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I'm not inclined to...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4187.47,4191.45"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/969","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"No doubt certain religious beliefs can be very oppressive and can cause","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4191.45,4196.67"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/970","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"people great psychological damage, but it's pretty hard to","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4196.67,4206.45"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/971","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"specify all by themselves because you can grow up believing in hell","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4206.45,4210.45"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/972","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and the devil, and you can grow up believing you're free of","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4210.45,4216.11"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/973","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4216.11,4217.21"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/974","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It's not going to get there, Jesus.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4217.21,4218.87"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/975","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"He saved me out of there, and I'm doing fine, thank you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4218.87,4222.67"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/976","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, Freud tells us that all civilizations are founded on guilt.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4222.67,4227.57"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/977","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yeah, that's an excellent point.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4227.57,4231.67"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/978","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sure, there are negative aspects to that, but a little repression is","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4231.67,4236.89"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/979","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"probably good for us.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4236.89,4239.99"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/980","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I'd like to talk about Judaism if you feel your expertise covers","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4239.99,4244.61"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/981","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4244.61,4245.61"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/982","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, I do want to talk about it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4245.61,4248.25"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/983","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"They're pretty straightforward questions.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4248.25,4251.39"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/984","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Do Houston Jews tend to be sharply divided into orthodox, conservative, and","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4251.39,4256.09"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/985","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"reform groups?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4256.09,4259.07"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/986","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I base here what I'm saying on the basis of my conversations","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4259.07,4267.72"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/987","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"with rabbis from the various groups.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4267.72,4272.96"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/988","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So obviously I'm speaking from the outside, but having talked to rabbis","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4272.96,4278.06"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/989","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"about these very questions, about that very question anyway, apparently there","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4278.06,4284.14"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/990","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"is more of a kind of...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4284.14,4288.72"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/991","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"that Houston Jews, although there are orthodox, conservative, and reform, that","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4288.72,4294.9"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/992","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"it's more of a reform Judaism or a liberal orthodox Judaism.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4294.9,4301.94"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/993","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It's sort of the mode as I understand it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4301.94,4306.94"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/994","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I have read that there is a quote, higher rate of participation","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4306.94,4311.18"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/995","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"in Jewish institutional life in Houston than in a place like New","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4311.18,4316.38"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/996","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"York City, unquote.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4316.38,4318.5"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/997","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Do you think that's true?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4318.5,4319.74"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/998","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I think this is claimed.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4319.74,4322.22"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/999","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I believe my conversation with Rabbi Kahn, I think he does say","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4322.22,4327.98"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/1000","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"this, and he was last year at least, or maybe this year,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4327.98,4332.4"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/1001","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"the president of the Reform Rabbis of America or the world or","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4332.4,4336.5"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/1002","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"something like this.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4336.5,4337.36"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/1003","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I think his feeling was that a higher percentage of Jews participate","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4337.36,4341.8"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/1004","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"in the temple and so forth than in...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4341.8,4347.05"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/1005","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"There are many secular Jews, of course, in New York City.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4347.05,4351.77"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/1006","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I think there are not as many in Houston.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4351.77,4356.27"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/1007","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"How about anti-Semitism?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4356.27,4357.87"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/1008","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Have you observed much of that in Houston?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4357.87,4361.71"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/1009","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I'm not really in a position to observe it all that much.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4361.71,4365.37"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/1010","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I may be able to say something about it, but, you know,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4365.37,4370.33"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/1011","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"universities tend not to be strong centers of anti-Semitism, and I'm","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4370.33,4375.33"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/1012","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"not a Jew, so I don't get much of it in my","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4375.33,4378.83"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/1013","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"way, but it exists, no","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4378.83,4389.11"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/1014","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"doubt.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4389.11,4392.33"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/1015","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Some Jews felt during the...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4392.33,4396.97"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/1016","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"since the beginning or the intensification of the Middle Eastern wars that","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4396.97,4403.01"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/1017","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"many Gentiles sort of showed their true colors when they didn't get","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4403.01,4410.21"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/1018","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"all excited about it, and that that was a latent anti-Semitism","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4410.21,4415.97"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/1019","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"sort of making itself manifest, at least by default.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4415.97,4419.49"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/1020","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rabbi Kahn, I believe it's fair to say, felt that...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4419.49,4424.25"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/1021","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"feels that it's not all that much, that there's not all that","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4424.25,4428.81"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/1022","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"much...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4428.81,4429.57"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/1023","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"there may be some anti-Semitism, but there's not that much working","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4429.57,4434.45"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/1024","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"at it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4434.45,4435.81"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/1025","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It's not a motive force, nor is it all that hindering to","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4435.81,4440.65"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/1026","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jews.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4440.65,4441.55"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/1027","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"There are, of course, places like River Oaks, which have been very","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4441.55,4445.09"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/1028","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"hard for Jews to move into.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4445.09,4447.01"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/1029","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"There has been residential segregation of Jews.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4447.01,4452.51"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/1030","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Do you recall any visible, ugly incidents of anti-Semitism in Houston?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4452.51,4460.67"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/1031","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4460.67,4461.15"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/1032","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Any KKK activities, for example?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4461.15,4462.83"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/1033","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yeah, there was some activities.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4462.83,4466.77"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/1034","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I don't recall that it says this, but it's public, you know,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4466.77,4470.19"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/1035","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"it's newspapers and things, where there were Arab demonstrations, Arab-Jewish","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4470.19,4479.57"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/1036","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"conflicts during the...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4479.57,4482.51"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/1037","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"around the time of the Six-Day War, or since then, not","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4482.51,4486.75"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/1038","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"then, since then, because I was not here then.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4486.75,4490.83"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/1039","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So there have been some things like...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4490.83,4493.71"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/1040","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"some particular incidents like that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4493.71,4495.85"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/1041","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"This involved Arab students at the University of Houston?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4495.85,4498.77"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/1042","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I'm not sure.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4498.77,4499.93"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/1043","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I think there were some things at temples.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4499.93,4502.05"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/1044","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I just don't recall the details on that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4502.05,4504.19"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/1045","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"They were not terribly major things.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4504.19,4510.23"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/1046","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"There are...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4510.23,4512.19"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/1047","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"the Jewish council here has several locks and guards and things like","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4512.19,4519.07"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/1048","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"that, doors to go through to get to his office.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4519.07,4521.83"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/1049","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"He apparently feels that he's under some danger, but I don't think","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4521.83,4524.55"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/1050","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"that's from Houston...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4524.55,4525.77"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/1051","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"that's not from Houstonians as much as it is from a fear,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4525.77,4530.25"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/1052","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"specifically of Arab opposition.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4530.25,4533.67"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/1053","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I do not recall any particular incidents of, you know, painting swastikas","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4533.67,4541.09"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/1054","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"on temples, things like that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4541.09,4543.05"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/1055","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"There may have been such, but I don't recall them.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4543.05,4548.1"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/1056","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I don't think Houston Jews feel that they are sort of the","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4548.1,4554.0"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/1057","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"constant victims of an outright overt anti-Semitism.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4554.0,4561.02"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/1058","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That is what the impression I get from talking to three or","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4561.02,4564.84"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/1059","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"four people in the community who should know, but that may not","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4564.84,4569.14"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/1060","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"be accurate.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4569.14,4571.95"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/1061","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"If you had to choose three words to describe religion in Houston","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4571.95,4576.09"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/1062","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"in the 1970s, what would they be?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4576.09,4592.15"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/1063","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It's certainly viable.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4592.15,4603.71"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/1064","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I'm trying to choose between viable and vital, but it's certainly a","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4603.71,4609.69"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/1065","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"viable concern.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4609.69,4613.91"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/1066","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Generally conservative, and I'm looking","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4613.91,4623.89"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/1067","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"for a word to characterize it as","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4623.89,4636.25"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/1068","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"similar to the same kind of spirit that's in business, you know,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4636.25,4639.81"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/1069","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"the kind of marketing philosophy kind of thing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4639.81,4644.43"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/1070","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We put out the best package.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4644.43,4645.67"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/1071","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We're aggressive, efficient.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4645.67,4648.93"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/1072","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Entrepreneurial?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4648.93,4649.89"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/1073","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Entrepreneurial, maybe.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4649.89,4651.33"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/1074","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"You know, there is a sense that an optimism, aggressive kind of,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4651.33,4659.75"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/1075","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"on the part especially of the Evangelical churches.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4659.75,4663.81"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/1076","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Some churches have seen a media and they've kind of lost their","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4663.81,4666.85"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/1077","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"zip.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4666.85,4670.57"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/1078","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"They're just going to hold on for a while.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4670.57,4674.51"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/1079","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But that occurs.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4674.51,4676.65"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/1080","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"They're bubbles up from the bottom and they move up and then","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4676.65,4679.09"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/1081","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"they get defunct, comatose.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4679.09,4684.29"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/1082","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That doesn't worry me a whole lot.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4684.29,4686.03"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/1083","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It just always happens.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4686.03,4689.21"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/1084","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, I've covered most of the questions and I was able to","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4689.21,4693.63"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/1085","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"dream up from my admittedly limited knowledge of religion in Houston.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4693.63,4699.21"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/1086","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So at this point, I'd like to turn the interview over to","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4699.21,4703.19"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/1087","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"you and just let you comment on anything that we haven't covered.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4703.19,4715.03"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/1088","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Any other vital issues that scholars who are delving into religion in","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4715.03,4720.93"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/1089","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Houston in this period should be concerned about?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4720.93,4724.71"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/1090","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, let me see.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4724.71,4725.35"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/1091","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Let me try to...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4725.35,4726.07"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/1092","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Some of this would be recapping.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4726.07,4727.27"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/1093","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I think it would be interesting to look more closely at what's","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4727.27,4729.59"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/1094","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"happening in the black church.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4729.59,4731.31"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/1095","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Some black ministers claim that they are drawing in young people, young","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4731.31,4735.63"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/1096","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"adults, in a way that the white churches are not.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4735.63,4739.69"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/1097","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"A lot of young black people are finding the church as a","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4739.69,4743.85"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/1098","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"real center for their activities and expression of their ethnic consciousness.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4743.85,4749.63"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/1099","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I don't know whether that's true, but that would be something interesting","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4749.63,4754.09"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/1100","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"to look into.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4754.09,4755.99"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/1101","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The charismatic revival is certainly a fascinating kind of topic and to","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4755.99,4763.69"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/1102","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"see who it's hitting and why it's hitting him, what segment of","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4763.69,4768.71"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/1103","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"the population.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4768.71,4770.81"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/1104","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"If it can be...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4770.81,4774.29"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/1105","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"If an identifiable segment can be sorted out, there","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4774.29,4788.24"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/1106","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"are probably a number of things I might think about.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4788.24,4795.87"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/1107","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I'd like to be able to know more about how much some","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4795.87,4801.07"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/1108","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"ministers claim.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4801.07,4802.21"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/1109","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I heard one minister claim that several deacons in his church are","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4802.21,4809.29"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/1110","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"members of the executive boards of some of the largest corporations in","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4809.29,4812.97"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/1111","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"town and that this makes a difference in the way they run","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4812.97,4815.11"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/1112","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"these corporations.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4815.11,4816.61"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/1113","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It would be very interesting to know if that's true.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4816.61,4818.53"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/1114","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Certainly would.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4818.53,4821.37"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/1115","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I suppose it's possible to check that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4821.37,4824.39"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/1116","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I know...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4824.39,4827.29"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/1117","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Come to think of it, I know one of the former deacons","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4827.29,4830.07"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/1118","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"in his church who is now head of operations...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4830.07,4836.05"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/1119","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"operations manager for SO Europe and I think it does make a","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4836.05,4841.29"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/1120","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"difference the way he conducts his...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4841.29,4842.87"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/1121","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"He is, I think, a dedicated Christian and that that makes a","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4842.87,4846.49"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/1122","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"difference in the way he carries on his business, the way he","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4846.49,4852.73"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/1123","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"carries on Exxon's business.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4852.73,4855.27"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/1124","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It'd be interesting to see just how much that really did permeate","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4855.27,4860.41"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/1125","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"the society here and what difference it makes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4860.41,4865.51"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/1126","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"If it's simply a matter of personal honesty and morality or if","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4865.51,4871.53"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/1127","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"it does extend to corporate ethics.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4871.53,4877.54"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/1128","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Are you yourself planning on publishing something on religion in Houston in","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4877.54,4881.74"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/1129","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"the near future?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4881.74,4882.96"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/1130","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, I'm working now on a book on independent evangelistic associations and","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4882.96,4888.56"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/1131","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"independent ministries and a lot of my research has been in Houston.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4888.56,4896.2"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/1132","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It's not specific.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4896.2,4897.16"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/1133","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It's more about the evangelists than it is about Houstonians and most","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4897.16,4903.7"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/1134","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"of them are not from Houston.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4903.7,4904.92"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/1135","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"They just come through.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4904.92,4907.82"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/1136","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"One last question and I ask this only to people who listen","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4907.82,4912.98"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/1137","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"to the tape in the future might be able to interpret it","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4912.98,4915.72"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/1138","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"with more sensitivity.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4915.72,4917.18"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/1139","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"What are your own personal religious beliefs?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4917.18,4923.48"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/1140","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I suppose that I am essentially a secular Christian or Christian","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4923.48,4933.22"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/1141","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"secularist, Christian humanist, something like that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4933.22,4936.68"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/1142","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I have very deep in my bones and my marrow all this","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4936.68,4941.26"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/1143","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Christian theology and it's very natural for me to think in terms","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4941.26,4946.32"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/1144","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"like that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4946.32,4948.8"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/1145","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I go to church, although not all the time like I used","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4948.8,4955.05"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/1146","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"to.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4955.05,4955.49"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/1147","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Within the last year I have begun to attend less regularly.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4955.49,4960.93"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/1148","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"If I'm working on the house, well, I'll keep on working on","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4960.93,4963.79"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/1149","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"the house whereas I used to never put an option.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4963.79,4969.49"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/1150","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I guess I really conduct my life though pretty much without reference","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4969.49,4974.61"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/1151","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"to religion.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4974.61,4977.51"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/1152","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The church to which I go is a collection of my friends.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4977.51,4982.15"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/1153","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Not all of them, but a lot of my friends are there","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4982.15,4983.83"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/1154","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and I like to see them.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4983.83,4984.81"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/1155","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I like to be with them.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4984.81,4986.29"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/1156","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I find myself getting sort of antsy in church.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4986.29,4992.23"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/1157","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Not really that the questions that are being dealt with, they're not","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4992.23,4995.83"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/1158","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"questions that are of all that much importance to me or if","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4995.83,4998.33"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/1159","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"they're important, I no longer find that the answers are very satisfactory.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=4998.33,5003.75"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/1160","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So I guess I really am essentially now secular, but","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=5003.75,5014.14"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/1161","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I think that people with some sense","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=5014.14,5023.67"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/1162","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"of the nature of the cosmos and the place of humans in","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=5023.67,5030.09"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/1163","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"it have a certain anchor.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=5030.09,5032.53"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/1164","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It's not a bad thing to have.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=5032.53,5033.95"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/1165","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I'm ambivalent about that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=5033.95,5036.73"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/1166","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I feel like I'm getting along pretty well really without such an","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=5036.73,5040.27"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/1167","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"anchor.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=5040.27,5042.73"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/1168","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But part of that comes, I think I have some basic ethical","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=5042.73,5046.29"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/1169","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"values that hold me up pretty well, but part of that strength","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=5046.29,5055.57"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/1170","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"comes from the fact that the first 30 or more years of","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=5055.57,5059.61"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/1171","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"my life were spent as a fundamentalist.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=5059.61,5063.41"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/1172","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"A lot of that affects me in ways which I'm not even","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=5063.41,5069.87"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/1173","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"aware of.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=5069.87,5070.73"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/1174","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"For that reason, I don't think I'm all that bad off for","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=5070.73,5072.99"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/1175","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"having grown up in a fundamentalist church.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=5072.99,5075.63"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/1176","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I choose quite consciously not to rear my children as fundamentalists.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=5075.63,5080.51"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/1177","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I don't want them waking up at night thinking God's going to","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=5080.51,5085.13"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/1178","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"come burn them that night.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=5085.13,5086.53"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/1179","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I don't think that's a good thing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=5086.53,5091.09"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/1180","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I'm not sure it's any worse than waking up in the middle","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=5091.09,5094.91"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/1181","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"of the night and thinking everything's absurd.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=5094.91,5098.83"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/1182","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I wish Samuel Beckett could listen to this tape.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=5098.83,5104.95"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/1183","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That's quite a religious pedigree.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=5104.95,5107.97"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/1184","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I can't think of anything else.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=5107.97,5109.73"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/1185","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So on behalf of the Houston Metropolitan Archives, I'd like to thank","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=5109.73,5112.69"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/1186","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"you very much for the interview.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=5112.69,5114.39"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/1187","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Oh, you're welcome.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494#t=5114.39,5114.97"}]},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["English [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112884/file/215494/transcript/71701/annotation/1188","type":"Annotation","motivation":"subtitling","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/file_transcripts/associated_files/000/071/701/original/transcript_1728397495.vtt20241008-557940-iwgn0b.vtt20241008-557940-iwgn0b?1728397495","format":"text/vtt","language":"en"},"target":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/file_transcripts/associated_files/000/071/701/original/transcript_1728397495.vtt20241008-557940-iwgn0b.vtt20241008-557940-iwgn0b?1728397495"}]}]}]}