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begin?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112868/file/215476#t=24.44,27.06"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112868/file/215476/transcript/71593/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"How long has it been active in Houston, and what is your role in it?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112868/file/215476#t=27.06,33.5"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112868/file/215476/transcript/71593/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The organization began in Houston probably 30 years ago, maybe a little 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