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And, uh, there the opportunity was first\nreally given to even take courses in art.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112781/file/215380#t=23.86,33.44"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112781/file/215380/transcript/64781/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We didn't have the opportunity to before.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112781/file/215380#t=33.46,35.46"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112781/file/215380/transcript/64781/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Uh, certainly we drew, and drew pictures and that type\nof thing, but to really, to be introduced to art, art","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112781/file/215380#t=36.13,45.17"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112781/file/215380/transcript/64781/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and quotations, uh, that happened in college and, uh,\nhappened with Viktor Lowenfeld, at Hampton Institute,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112781/file/215380#t=45.28,54.05"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112781/file/215380/transcript/64781/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"too. 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Can you tell us something about your views\nand, you know, how you categorize?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112781/file/215381#t=577.0,582.83"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112781/file/215381/transcript/64782/annotation/102","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"John Biggers:\nWell, certainly art produced by Africans.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112781/file/215381#t=583.64,587.06"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112781/file/215381/transcript/64782/annotation/103","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"This is African 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