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Herrera of Houston, Texas. The- Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=4.81,12.07"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The last time we talked, we spoke about the Elpidio Cortez case, and you told us a great","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=12.07,17.08"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"deal of information about that. What I wanted to do today for purposes of the tape was to","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=17.08,23.62"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"start at the beginning, an- an- and we didn't go over that systematically. How did you come to live","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=23.62,29.77"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"in Houston, Texas? Where- where are you from? I mean, why don't we?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=29.77,32.92"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, I, I come from an old San Antonio family that's lived in San Antonio since 1718.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=32.92,43.13"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"My children are eighth generation. I'm seventh generation. And I hope","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=43.13,52.27"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"that before I die, the 10th generation will come along. My grandchildren, incidentally,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=52.27,62.08"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Friday, May the 15th, Douglas, my youngest son had a twins, a little boy and a little girl.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=62.08,71.77"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So premature- they're in an incubator now.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=71.77,74.41"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But my family lived in San Antonio since the town was laid out.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=74.41,80.11"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And briefly, I'm- I'm descended from three families that are famous in Texas history.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=80.11,90.84"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Let's see, the Ruiz family,  R-U-I-Z, which came from the Canary Islands.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=90.84,96.73"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And they settled in San Antonio, in Bexar County, and the second generation of the","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=96.73,106.39"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ruiz family, the Alcalde, who is the mayor,  Francisco Ruiz, had a daughter named Josefa.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=106.39,114.13"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And Josefa, J-O-S-E-F-A, married Blas Herrera, B-L-A-S.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=114.13,123.9"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"He's a mestizo from Nuevo Leon, Lampazos  Nuevo Leon.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=123.9,129.9"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Blas Herrera joined the Texas Army and was a scout.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=129.9,135.14"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"His brother Pedro fought at San Jacinto. Francisco Ruiz, the father of Josefa, was an","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=135.14,142.33"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"original Texan, lived here, and he signed the Texas Declaration of Independence. 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So that would be correct. 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Just before I was born, along about.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=227.32,240.61"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It was a little after 1908 because my daughter Matilda had already been- my sister","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=240.61,245.47"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Matilda, that was next to me, had already been born. 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Can you- what- were they large or small?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=1230.34,1236.94"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/199","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, at at- that time most, most of the Mexican American people, we lived in two and","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=1236.94,1245.04"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/200","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"three story houses that were rented out to us on a- on a piecemeal basis. 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My dad went in there and looked at the chicken house and it was all","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=1465.77,1471.56"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/236","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"full of, it was a dirt floor and, pardon the  expression, there's chicken shit all over the","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=1471.56,1480.17"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/237","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"walls and everything. 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Here. That wasn't the case, though when- with- with Mexican Americans.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=2081.6,2085.06"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/336","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"No, not- not here he was active politically. I'm the one that, I- I- I became active","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=2085.06,2094.0"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/337","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"politically. 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And- and no, as a matter of fact, in Dow school,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=2220.87,2232.33"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/364","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"there was only this little girl named Theresa Castillo. And her and I were always giving","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=2232.33,2236.53"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/365","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"each other hell on the spelling bees. She'd be first or I'd be first. 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And- and two of them wouldn't say that they were of Mexican","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=2246.41,2253.47"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/368","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"descent. One said he was French and the other one said that he was Spanish. But it was just","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=2253.47,2260.67"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/369","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Henry [Herechinga] and [Tula] de Alba and I that, we were Yellow Dog Mexicans.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=2260.67,2269.52"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/370","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We-.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=2269.52,2270.81"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/371","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"No matter what.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=2270.81,2275.4"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/372","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"While I was there-","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=2275.4,2276.15"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/373","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"How were you treated?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=2276.15,2276.48"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/374","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Lyndon Johnson was teaching there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=2276.48,2278.46"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/375","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Oh, you, were you ever taught by Lyndon Johnson?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=2278.46,2280.66"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/376","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Oh, yes. Yes, he taught me, he taught me public speaking and he taught me civics.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=2280.66,2285.39"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/377","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"How was he as a teacher?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=2285.39,2290.43"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/378","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It was a big disappointment to me when he became president that he wasn't such a","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=2290.43,2294.24"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/379","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"fireball and such a fiery speaker.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=2294.24,2297.9"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/380","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And how inspirational he was to us as kids.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=2297.9,2303.81"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/381","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And later on, my fellow Americans, when he'd get his glasses down, they'd- they'd","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=2303.81,2309.61"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/382","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"make fun of him. 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I have pictures of that I'm going to show you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=3173.17,3179.8"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/530","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So you more or less had decided on becoming a lawyer very early then?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=3179.8,3184.3"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/531","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Oh, yes. 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But out of the, out of the six Chicanos that started just two of us finished.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=4066.29,4074.33"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/691","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"What was South Texas Law School like?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=4074.33,4076.37"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/692","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"South Texas School of Law, it was a very, very, it was a night law school. 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Top A student deserves a scholarship.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=4390.76,4398.26"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/743","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I- I think that we- we ought to say, well, is he intelligent but is he also needy? There's","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=4398.26,4405.58"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/744","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"a lot of, there's a lot of, especially in- in Latin Americans, they're well-to-do. 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And it's true.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=4458.85,4463.89"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/754","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"In my, in my case, not all the money, but in my case, the valedictorian and the","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=4463.89,4469.97"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/755","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"salutatorian, the best jobs they were ever able to get. 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You're black lawyers are making all the law and- and your","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=4574.83,4579.72"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/776","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Chicano lawyers and, and your civil liberty  lawyers, which is your- your- your poor white trash lawyers.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=4579.72,4588.32"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/777","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"They're the ones that, that during the time of putting the Bulldogs on during the Martin","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=4588.32,4596.4"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/778","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Luther King Days or the early struggles at  Birmingham. 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And I- I- I was sitting here suffering the","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=4608.61,4613.23"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/781","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"tortures of the damned. What in the hell are  the lawyers doing? What in the hell are the lawyers doing?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=4613.23,4620.76"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/782","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"This country is built. 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They were lawyers.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=4639.96,4652.29"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/786","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"They called them ragabonds and- and opportunists. Call 'em what you will. But","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=4652.29,4657.81"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/787","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"they were lawyers, they were well versed in the law. 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You had, you had the wrestling matches.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=4681.06,4685.62"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/793","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"You had the boxing matches. And you had the basketball games. And they were held on","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=4685.62,4694.47"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/794","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Monday, Wednesdays, Friday was a wrestling  match night. Saturday night, Saturday night,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=4694.47,4700.43"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/795","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"you had the Sunday morning papers. The Sunday morning papers, you'd go out Main Street when","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=4700.43,4707.28"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/796","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"the Sunday morning papers would come out at seven and eight thirty. 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Two o'clock in the morning,   I'd go home and go to bed. Then at five","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=4726.43,4731.28"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/801","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"o'clock in the morning, Sunday, I would get up again. And you didn't have the- the","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=4731.28,4738.21"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/802","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"corner papers where people could go to corner and buy it out of a slot. 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There- there weren't carriers in those days. And I, I would- I","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=4760.59,4766.29"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/807","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"would get home, I would get home about one or two in the evening because after I'd get","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=4766.29,4772.83"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/808","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"through with all my early morning customers.  Then when they had the traffic lights at- at","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=4772.83,4777.99"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/809","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Richmond and Main and Elgin and Main and Alabama and Main, I had the boy, that's my","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=4777.99,4784.23"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/810","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"brother in law now and I'd give them the  papers. And you used to make, used to make a","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=4784.23,4791.9"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/811","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"nickel and a dime a paper. 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What church did y'all attend  when y'all were first here?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=4804.75,4808.77"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/815","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well. There was discrimination in the Catholic churches here. And we had the","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=4808.77,4814.32"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/816","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Guadalupe Church, which was set up for the Mexicans.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=4814.32,4817.26"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/817","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Mhm.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=4817.26,4818.1"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/818","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And Saint Joseph's Catholic Church which is there at Houston Avenue and at Lubbock.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=4818.1,4831.18"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/819","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"At that time, it had been set up by, by  mostly Italians that were landowners.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=4831.18,4837.06"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/820","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And, and we had a father there by the name of.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=4837.06,4846.57"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/821","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I forget his name. I- I'll remember his name. And he used to block the door and wouldn't","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=4846.57,4851.02"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/822","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"let Mexicans in. He says, \"Go to, to Guadalupe.\" So we raised so much hell about it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=4851.02,4860.1"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/823","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The Navarro family, which lived on Trinity just a block away, couldn't couldn't","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=4860.1,4864.84"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/824","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"go in there. 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And the  Macaroni Place. They- they- they opened up","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=4889.53,4895.11"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/829","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"the Saint Stephen's Catholic Church on Center Street, which is at Center and Silver. 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And for a while, when they- we changed over to","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=4986.73,4992.52"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/847","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Spanish, I would tell the- the old, because I was the head usher, I would tell the- the","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=4992.52,4998.04"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/848","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"head people there, \"Do you want your mass in Spanish or English?\" Said, \"Look at me.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=4998.04,5004.34"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/849","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Spanish gonna in English. 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I was confirmed at the age of 14. The","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=5094.01,5099.98"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/868","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Catholic father wanted to know if I was from a- from the country. And I told him, \"Well, I","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=5099.98,5103.91"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/869","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"work in the country, but I haven't been confirmed because I'm- I'm mostly a country boy.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=5103.91,5110.54"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/870","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Which priest was that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=5110.54,5113.54"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/871","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Was a Spanish priest.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=5113.54,5116.24"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/872","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"DeAnata- wasn't that his name? DeAnata?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=5116.24,5118.58"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/873","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"No, Padre Esteban","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=5118.58,5118.79"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/874","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esteban DeAnata. I believe it is-","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=5118.79,5122.99"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/875","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yes","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=5122.99,5124.1"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/876","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esteban. What was he like? 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They- they- they- the great amount of, the great amount of the, of the,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=5132.98,5140.27"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/879","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"of the Mexican regular churchgoers hated, hated him because he was very arrogant and","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=5140.27,5147.86"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/880","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"autocratic. 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So it's, ah, la revoluciones vienen and la revoluciones van,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=5253.76,5261.33"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/897","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"y los Indios siempre sin  pan. You know, you just change it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=5261.33,5266.54"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/898","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"They just translate it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=5266.54,5266.84"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/899","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"No. Without bread, they- they- they can come and go but it's the same.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=5266.84,5270.83"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/900","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yeah, the revolutions come and the revolutions  go, but it's the same old [itche].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=5270.83,5275.69"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/901","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"In- in- in- in the twenties, in the twenties and thirties here in Houston, was there a","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=5275.69,5281.15"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/902","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Mexican American elite?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=5281.15,5283.94"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/903","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Before he goes on, let me interrupt this.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=5283.94,5285.52"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/904","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Oh, go ahead, go ahead.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=5285.52,5285.92"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/905","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"'Cause I gotta go","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=5285.92,5286.88"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/906","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sure.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=5286.88,5290.13"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/907","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Could I [...]?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=5290.13,5290.41"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/908","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"What? With what-","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=5290.41,5291.06"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/909","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Now-","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=5291.06,5292.74"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/910","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Twenties. Elite a Mexican American elite in  [those times]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=5292.74,5294.78"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/911","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, there- there wasn't, in the beginning there wasn't very much Mexican American elite","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=5294.78,5301.05"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/912","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"because they wouldn't let us go anywhere to meet. What we had to do is meet in our own","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=5301.05,5304.68"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/913","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"houses and our own places, which is way over there in deep Magnolia. And the, the","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=5304.68,5312.06"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/914","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"beginning was the Sociedad Patriotica Mexicana.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=5312.06,5317.55"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/915","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It had to be under the auspices of the Mexican consulate or the mutualistas. The","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=5317.55,5322.5"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/916","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"first mutual organization, which was more or less as a barrel society like the blacks","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=5322.5,5328.17"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/917","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"had in those early days. And you'd save up  money, and then they'd give you two or three","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=5328.17,5332.63"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/918","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"hundred dollars toward the barrel. Now, in the beginning, we had a lot of social clubs","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=5332.63,5339.75"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/919","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and such who all they- all they would go for was dancing and getting drunk. And","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=5339.75,5349.08"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/920","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"when the Latin American Club of Harris  County and the LULACs got started here which","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=5349.08,5354.48"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/921","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"was the first political or semi-political organizations.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=5354.48,5360.36"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/922","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Another thing this was still the time when the Ku Klux were, they would march up and","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=5360.36,5365.37"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/923","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"down the street here. 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We- we noticed that these","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=5403.24,5409.6"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/931","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"other social meetings started coming up and wanted to hire the same halls. The halls","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=5409.6,5415.03"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/932","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"wouldn't be hired to them because they- they just didn't hire to Mexicans. 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When you get ready to vote, you're","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=5423.13,5427.75"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/935","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"going to come calling on us. And we're all American citizens.\" So it was the, the, the,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=5427.75,5436.03"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/936","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"the Latin American Club of Harris County and the LULACs that started opening up the- the","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=5436.03,5442.72"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/937","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"meeting places, the dance halls. 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They come over here to the United States and they","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=5720.33,5725.61"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/985","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"find the same thing at the Catholic Churches. 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Who knows?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=5761.58,5764.37"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/992","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But God works in wondrous ways. I- I've tried to temper my temper and","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=5764.37,5774.96"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/993","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"my way of thinking. I've tried to keep from being bitter about it. 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But, in the long run, I met Dr.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=5963.04,5970.23"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/1023","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Martin Luther King one time, and then he told me, he told me the story of meeting this","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=5970.23,5978.24"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/1024","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"fella on the plane to Mississippi and that this fellow was more or less a lip service","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=5978.24,5984.73"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/1025","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"liberal. 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Sure, I'll be there.\"  So ten or 12 days later he called me.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=6132.99,6142.98"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/1051","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And sent me the invitation, he says,  And bring anybody that you want.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=6142.98,6147.24"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/1052","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, I had just organized a LULAC  council in Wharton, and this fella","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=6147.24,6152.22"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/1053","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"didn't know it. 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How was that received when you did that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=6384.34,6387.37"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/1094","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, I got a big kick out of it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=6387.37,6395.92"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/1095","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I- I said, well, because let me tell you  Wharton at that time, Wharton, at that time,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=6395.92,6402.22"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/1096","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"you had to go to the balcony to go to a theater. 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The first encounter I had with him, of","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=6506.77,6510.61"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/1116","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"course, the first time I met him. I say encounters, he encountered my father and he","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=6510.61,6516.76"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/1117","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"laughed at my father. He says, \"You Mexicans don't get out and vote and you have no, no","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=6516.76,6522.16"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/1118","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"right to have a policeman.\" They laughed at it. And then, when I started, I was going to","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=6522.16,6529.84"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/1119","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"law school and I was digging ditches. They had three crews. 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And they paid the Anglos five hu-","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=6548.47,6554.87"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/1123","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"five dollars and, and, and forty cents a day.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=6554.87,6563.69"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/1124","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"They- they- they paid, they had a different pay scale. And we all did the same work.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=6563.69,6571.69"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/1125","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And they wouldn't give us steady employment.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=6571.69,6575.81"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/1126","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"They- they would just use us two or three months out of the year, and they were","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=6575.81,6579.59"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/1127","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"waiting to see how much was wor- wor- left in the water department budget. 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I worked for the, for the, for the water department,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=6597.01,6607.6"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/1133","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"for the maintenance department of the Houston Water Department 1934, '35, '36, '37 and '38.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=6607.6,6618.34"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/1134","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"In '39, I started working as a taxi cab driver.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=6618.34,6621.79"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/1135","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Do- do you remember when Commissioner Star- Start- Starkey? I believe it was Starkey","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=6621.79,6627.31"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/1136","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"who made that comment about Mexicans not letting 'em- not being paid on San Jacinto Day-","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=6627.31,6633.57"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/1137","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"He made that, he made that to me when I went before city council and complained that they","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=6633.57,6638.71"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/1138","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"paid the blacks and they paid the whites,  giving them the day off and they didn't pay","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=6638.71,6644.41"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/1139","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"us. 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Joe kept following me around, following me around after I had made a speech at city","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=6679.88,6685.25"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/1149","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"council and wouldn't let me take a drink of water. And- and I remonstrated with him,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=6685.25,6690.11"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/1150","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"asked him why? 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Because of your political-","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=6703.94,6706.94"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/1155","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Making speeches. On account of the Starkey speech.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=6706.94,6711.36"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/1156","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Did y'all- y'all forced him into an apology, though, didn't you?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=6711.36,6715.31"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/1157","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yeah, well, the Anglo people more forced him into the apology. 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They- they better not be any son of a bitch","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=6768.98,6773.61"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/1172","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"tell me that. I can show him at least 15, 20 times to begin with.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=6773.61,6780.44"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/1173","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"To begin with, Mexican Americans weren't hired on the police force as such. All he had","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=6780.44,6786.74"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/1174","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"was ass kissers, one dollar a year men that were going around there just carrying a badge","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=6786.74,6791.24"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/1175","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and a pistol. A guy by the name of Valdez and El Crespo. But the first Mexican","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=6791.24,6797.78"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/1176","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"American who went to work was Raul Martinez. And it wasn't until 1950 and","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=6797.78,6804.62"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/1177","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Oscar Holcombe had nothing to do with it.  And of course Louie Welch is trying to get","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=6804.62,6811.13"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/1178","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"the claim for it. But the first man that began to put Mexican Americans to work was","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=6811.13,6816.35"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/1179","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Roy Hofheinz, Judge Roy Hofheinz and Neale Pickett and Louis Cottrell and the other Hofheinz.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=6816.35,6824.76"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/1180","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But Lou- the only thing that Louie Welch did, he divided the Mexican people to vote for","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=6824.76,6830.39"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/1181","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"him. All he did was he changed the titles and he changed his jobs. But he- he never did.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=6830.39,6836.48"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/1182","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And as a matter of fact, the- the one that has actually gone, you might say a lot","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=6836.48,6845.45"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/1183","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"further has been Jim McConn because, well, Caceres was there, was already there as an","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=6845.45,6852.23"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/1184","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"assistant city attorney, even during the, the, the Louie Welch administration.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=6852.23,6859.49"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/1185","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And neither Louie Welch or McConn dared-  dare to fire him. And then the ones, the- the","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=6859.49,6865.01"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/1186","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"one that made the most inroads as a matter of policy and good jobs was Fred. Fred Hofheinz.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=6865.01,6871.85"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/1187","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"He's the one that started putting officers into the police department. Of officer","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=6871.85,6876.35"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/1188","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"caliber, Chicanos, sergeants and lieutenants  and a captain.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=6876.35,6882.59"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/1189","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But- but Raul Martinez was the first one really to-","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=6882.59,6886.31"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/1190","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=6886.31,6886.73"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/1191","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Professional.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=6886.73,6887.81"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/1192","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yeah. Did I ever give you the story about him?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=6887.81,6889.88"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/1193","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"No, you never did.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=6889.88,6891.08"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/1194","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raul Martinez. I put Raul Martinez to work.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=6891.08,6895.97"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/1195","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And there's always been a big story as to  whether Tijerina did it. But I- but I did it","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=6895.97,6901.7"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/1196","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"because Raul Martinez will tell you. I went to, to the Baptist hospital that was on","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=6901.7,6909.92"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/1197","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Lamar and Smith at the time. There was a friend of mine in there by the name of J.B.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=6909.92,6913.88"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/1198","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Casas who is a brother in law of Alfred,  Alfred Hernandez, Alfred J.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=6913.88,6921.48"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/1199","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hernandez. He is married to Minnie Casas who  is a sister of J.B. 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So, so I heard J.B.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=7035.15,7044.24"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/1220","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Casas in the hospital room in 1950 right after we'd had this mass meeting, say to this","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=7044.24,7051.17"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/1221","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"man, he says, \"Cómo estás, Raul?\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=7051.17,7053.87"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/1222","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\"How are you, Raul?\" And I looked at him and  he says, \"I'm all right, Mr. Casas, how are","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=7053.87,7059.45"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/1223","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"you?\" And so I saw that he was big.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=7059.45,7063.29"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/1224","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"He barely fitted in the door. 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He passed the civil service examination.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=7128.81,7135.47"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/1238","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That was in 1950. Right after him. Now, at the  LULAC meeting, there was a fella st- stood up","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=7135.47,7145.81"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/1239","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"named Wilfred Navarro that lived just a  half a block from, from, on Trinity Street","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=7145.81,7152.21"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/1240","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"from, his sister was the one that wrote  this column about my twin children.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=7152.21,7159.8"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/1241","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"His name was Wilfred Navarro.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=7159.8,7161.33"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/1242","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"He stood up. He says, \"I took the examination. I graduated from Sam Houston","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=7161.33,7165.2"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/1243","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"High School, and they said that they wouldn't hire me because I was a quarter inch too","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=7165.2,7169.28"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/1244","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"short.\" I says \"That's ludicrous.\" Right after Raul went to work then Wilfred Navarro","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=7169.28,7174.89"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/1245","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"went to work. Wilfred Navarro is now head of security at the international-","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=7174.89,7181.88"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/1246","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Airport.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=7181.88,7183.02"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/1247","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Airport. After 25 years.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=7183.02,7185.89"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/1248","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But y'all actually had a community meeting about this-","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=7185.89,7186.77"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/1249","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=7186.77,7187.49"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/1250","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"This la- this so-called Latin American-","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=7187.49,7189.77"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/1251","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"LULACs, LULACs. Houston Council Number 60.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=7189.77,7191.93"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/1252","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, this was in '49 or or '50.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=7191.93,7195.14"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/1253","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"'50. 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Facts  says it when- when, when you get a no-","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=7279.8,7285.88"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/1270","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"illiterate, illiterate person that you're supposed to get a witness from outside of","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=7285.88,7292.43"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/1271","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"the, of the jail and bring 'em in there to  witness the statement. 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His father brought him in and he said that- that- and he was","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=7309.68,7313.79"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/1274","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"long haired. He said he'd gone to one of these concerts and he said \"They beat my boy","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=7313.79,7318.14"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/1275","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"up real bad.\" They got him for disturbing the peace and for loitering and for an assault on","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=7318.14,7323.15"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/1276","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"an officer. And the boy was just beaten almost to a pulp. And so, you know, they have","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=7323.15,7330.17"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/1277","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"these rock concerts and they have these extra policemen. They give 'em an extra","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=7330.17,7333.56"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/1278","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"thirty-five dollars but the impresario does not pay them until the last person leaves and","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=7333.56,7339.41"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/1279","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"it's locked. And you go down to the purser and you say, \"Well, everybody out.\" Yes and","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=7339.41,7344.72"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/1280","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"he gives them the thirty-five or forty  dollars, whatever it is. So this, this kid","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=7344.72,7349.67"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/1281","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"was a little slow. He'd come out of the bathroom shooting the bull and, \"Come on,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=7349.67,7354.05"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/1282","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"come on, let's go.\" \"You can't talk to me that way. Let me look at your badge you son","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=7354.05,7357.72"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/1283","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"of a bitch.\" Boom, boom, took him down to the basement and beat the shit out of him.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=7357.72,7363.37"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/1284","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So I looked, I said, \"There's a guy named Guerrero,\" I said, \"Was- was he there? Did","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=7363.37,7368.79"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/1285","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"he arrest you?\" He says, \"Mister Herrera, he was the first one to knock me down and kick","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=7368.79,7372.52"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/1286","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"me.\" What are you gonna do?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=7372.52,7377.02"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/1287","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And this, this young man was also Mexican American too?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=7377.02,7380.88"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/1288","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Guerrero, the arr- one of the arresting officers was a- a Chicano.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=7380.88,7384.24"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/1289","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But I mean, the- the- the young man who was beaten up was a Chicano?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=7384.24,7386.6"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/1290","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yeah, yeah he was a Chicano. Well, you- you saw this thing over there in McAllen,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=7386.6,7391.56"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/1291","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"didn't you? Where they- they're beating these guys and throwing them and getting them down","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=7391.56,7395.55"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/1292","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and beating them up. It's Mexican against Mexican. But God works in wondrous ways.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=7395.55,7406.28"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/1293","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"A little after, we got Mexican policemen to work here, there was a young man came to work","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=7406.28,7413.69"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/1294","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"for me. And he had been to every law firm in town and they turned him down. He was a","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=7413.69,7419.48"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/1295","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"graduate of A\u0026M, Texas University. He was born on the North Side. 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And he became a lawyer.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=7432.56,7437.36"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/1298","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"He decided not to be an engineer, and he went from A \u0026 M to Texas, James DeAndre. So he","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=7437.36,7444.08"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/1299","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"stayed with me about eight years. And well  eight [diezios] and- and then he says, \"John,\" he","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=7444.08,7450.77"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/1300","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"says, \"I'd like to move out of Houston. My mama's trying to get me married off. And, and","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=7450.77,7456.23"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/1301","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"my brother's a priest and my sister's already married a man twice her age. I'd like to get","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=7456.23,7461.06"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/1302","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"out of here.\" And I had been to an American GI Forum Convention, and Doctor Hector Garcia","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=7461.06,7465.65"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/1303","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"said, \"I'd like a real energetic Mexican lawyer over here in Corpus Christi to help me","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=7465.65,7470.93"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/1304","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"to file a case against the Bishop  Independent School District I want a real","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=7470.93,7475.37"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/1305","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"sharp lawyer.\" And, I says, \"Well, what about Leo Duran and Hector de Pegas?\" He says \"No,\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=7475.37,7481.99"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/1306","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"he says, \"They just don't know the law.\" So I took Jimmy over there and introduced him to","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791#t=7481.99,7486.44"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210791/transcript/60830/annotation/1307","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Doctor Hector Garcia. 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One, two, three. Testing. One, two, three. Testing. One, two, three. Testing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210790#t=2.93,8.09"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210790/transcript/60829/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"One, two, three.  [Pause in recording.]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210790#t=8.09,14.66"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210790/transcript/60829/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Just— just however long you got today, Mr. Herrera.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210790#t=14.66,17.45"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210790/transcript/60829/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"You want me to start from the time that we came to Houston?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210790#t=17.45,20.3"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210790/transcript/60829/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, no, sir. Let's talk today. Just about— Who was Elpidio Cortez?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210790#t=20.3,26.03"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210790/transcript/60829/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Let's just talk about Elpidio Cortez.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210790#t=26.03,28.01"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210790/transcript/60829/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Elpidio Cortez was a laborer.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210790#t=28.01,31.1"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210790/transcript/60829/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"They used to call him El Torito, the Bull. And he was a brawler.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210790#t=31.1,36.89"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210790/transcript/60829/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And he and his family lived on the corner of Chenevert and Franklin Street,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210790#t=36.89,46.34"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210790/transcript/60829/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Just about twelve blocks from where we are.  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I've moved over here.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210790#t=2159.52,2164.29"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210790/transcript/60829/annotation/320","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And he says, \"Well, Herrera,  you're going to make it.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210790#t=2164.29,2168.76"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210790/transcript/60829/annotation/321","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So the results would come in after six weeks.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210790#t=2168.76,2173.59"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210790/transcript/60829/annotation/322","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And everybody would call me,  \"Have you gotten your grades yet?\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210790#t=2173.59,2176.38"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210790/transcript/60829/annotation/323","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dr.— Judge [...] did a very kind thing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210790#t=2176.38,2180.04"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210790/transcript/60829/annotation/324","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Two weeks before anybody heard,  he sent me a personal card and told me I had—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210790#t=2180.04,2186.94"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210790/transcript/60829/annotation/325","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yes. Let me— Mr.—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210790#t=2186.94,2189.55"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210790/transcript/60829/annotation/326","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Let me interrupt here and get back because I have another question on—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210790#t=2189.55,2194.53"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210790/transcript/60829/annotation/327","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210790#t=2194.53,2194.98"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210790/transcript/60829/annotation/328","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"What was exactly the Latin American Club's role in the Cortez case?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210790#t=2194.98,2200.02"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210790/transcript/60829/annotation/329","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"What were you all doing? I mean, what—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210790#t=2200.02,2202.21"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210790/transcript/60829/annotation/330","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Did you all act as a group in the case?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210790#t=2202.21,2205.85"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210790/transcript/60829/annotation/331","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well. We were a small group, but we were very vociferous. To tell you— to tell you the","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210790#t=2205.85,2212.02"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210790/transcript/60829/annotation/332","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"truth, John Duhig and I, and C. H. Enojosa and Freddie Martinez and the rest,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210790#t=2212.02,2219.58"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210790/transcript/60829/annotation/333","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"we weren't afraid to speak up.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210790#t=2219.58,2222.37"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210790/transcript/60829/annotation/334","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But our role was—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210790#t=2222.37,2229.72"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210790/transcript/60829/annotation/335","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"As a matter of fact, the LULACs had very little to do with it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210790#t=2229.72,2235.9"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210790/transcript/60829/annotation/336","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Because the LULACs were— had gone broke and were defunct at the time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210790#t=2235.9,2242.29"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210790/transcript/60829/annotation/337","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It was most of the Latin American Club and  remnants of the LULACs","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210790#t=2242.29,2247.69"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210790/transcript/60829/annotation/338","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"that protested the way in which Cortez was killed.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210790#t=2247.69,2253.03"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210790/transcript/60829/annotation/339","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I think that the reason  that the Cortez murder was played up","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210790#t=2253.03,2263.29"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210790/transcript/60829/annotation/340","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"because we had a couple of newspaper reporters working for the Houston 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happened.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210790#t=2276.43,2282.22"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210790/transcript/60829/annotation/343","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And I think that the actual reporter who reported it was an Anglo American","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210790#t=2282.22,2292.81"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210790/transcript/60829/annotation/344","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"who later on married a Mexican lady. I'm trying to— Frank—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210790#t=2292.81,2295.96"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210790/transcript/60829/annotation/345","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"—Gibler. Gibler.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210790#t=2295.96,2299.29"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210790/transcript/60829/annotation/346","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"—Frank Gibler.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210790#t=2299.29,2300.4"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210790/transcript/60829/annotation/347","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Frank Gibler of the Houston Press was one that I remember that brought this case wide","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210790#t=2300.4,2306.88"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210790/transcript/60829/annotation/348","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"open of the Houston Press. The Houston Post—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210790#t=2306.88,2313.84"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210790/transcript/60829/annotation/349","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Now the Chronicle, particularly— The Chronicle was very, very conservative.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210790#t=2313.84,2320.62"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210790/transcript/60829/annotation/350","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It was the Post and the Press, the Press mostly, that broke the story.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210790#t=2320.62,2326.86"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210790/transcript/60829/annotation/351","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And we'd say something, they'd put it in the paper.  And when San Antonio found out about it,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210790#t=2326.86,2332.8"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210790/transcript/60829/annotation/352","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"the Mexican consulate and the Mexican consulate sent it to San Antonio, and then they sent","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210790#t=2332.8,2337.0"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210790/transcript/60829/annotation/353","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"M.C. Gonzalez down here. But we were instrumental in working it up because the","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210790#t=2337.0,2342.39"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210790/transcript/60829/annotation/354","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"LULACs were dead during that particular time. From 1935 to 1940, the LULACs were","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210790#t=2342.39,2348.94"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210790/transcript/60829/annotation/355","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"completely dead here.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210790#t=2348.94,2350.05"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210790/transcript/60829/annotation/356","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And the Latin American Club lasted, more or less, from when to when?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210790#t=2350.05,2355.87"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210790/transcript/60829/annotation/357","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The Latin American Club of Harris County lasted all during the 1930s. And once the","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210790#t=2355.87,2365.23"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210790/transcript/60829/annotation/358","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"LULAC grabbed hold by 1943 or 1945, then the","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210790#t=2365.23,2374.8"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210790/transcript/60829/annotation/359","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"LULACs merged with the League of United Latin American Citizens. And due to the fact that","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210790#t=2374.8,2380.8"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210790/transcript/60829/annotation/360","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"the Latin American Club of Harris County was just one club—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210790#t=2380.8,2384.49"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210790/transcript/60829/annotation/361","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"In other words, LULACs came and told us,  \"Your voice will only be heard","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210790#t=2384.49,2389.32"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210790/transcript/60829/annotation/362","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"within the realm of Harris County, but now you're going to join a national organization.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210790#t=2389.32,2396.73"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210790/transcript/60829/annotation/363","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So what we did, we merged the Latin American Club of Harris County into","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210790#t=2396.73,2402.37"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210790/transcript/60829/annotation/364","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Houston Council Number 60 of the  League of United Latin American Citizens.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210790#t=2402.37,2406.39"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210790/transcript/60829/annotation/365","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And John Duhig joined and I joined and Isidro Garcia","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210790#t=2406.39,2410.73"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210790/transcript/60829/annotation/366","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and Juvencio Rodriguez and all of us joined with the LULACs.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210790#t=2410.73,2414.61"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210790/transcript/60829/annotation/367","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And you all had formerly been with the Latin American—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210790#t=2414.61,2417.31"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210790/transcript/60829/annotation/368","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210790#t=2417.31,2417.32"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210790/transcript/60829/annotation/369","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"—Club of Harris County. Can you characterize— Was there a feeling within them?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210790#t=2417.32,2422.56"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210790/transcript/60829/annotation/370","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"How could you characterize the feeling of the Mexican American community at that time in","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210790#t=2422.56,2426.97"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210790/transcript/60829/annotation/371","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"regard to the Cortez case? Was there much talk about it?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210790#t=2426.97,2433.63"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210790/transcript/60829/annotation/372","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"There was a great deal of talk about it, but mostly the people accepted it and didn't do","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210790#t=2433.63,2440.14"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210790/transcript/60829/annotation/373","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"anything because, in that day and time, we were all scattered all over the city. There","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210790#t=2440.14,2445.48"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210790/transcript/60829/annotation/374","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"were no professional people to speak of-. 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You said he was killed.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210790#t=2650.34,2654.48"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210790/transcript/60829/annotation/408","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yeah, Chavez was killed when he allegedly was following a married woman from a fiesta on","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210790#t=2654.48,2660.31"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210790/transcript/60829/annotation/409","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"the 5th of May and followed her into a yard. 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I remembered everything kind of fondly.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210790#t=3082.87,3086.86"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210790/transcript/60829/annotation/479","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I thought that it was an adversary situation","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210790#t=3086.86,3091.18"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210790/transcript/60829/annotation/480","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and that it would be started and it would 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I mean, is it possible to do that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210790#t=3560.54,3565.73"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210790/transcript/60829/annotation/559","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, the Cortez case was something, of course, which came up, you might say, on the","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210790#t=3565.73,3575.27"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210790/transcript/60829/annotation/560","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"spur of the moment, due to the fact that the Mexican consul was drawn 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They threw him in, boots and all.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210790#t=3712.43,3719.03"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210790/transcript/60829/annotation/581","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"In the Cortez case, Cortez was just so drunk  that, other than just fighting back,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210790#t=3719.03,3730.16"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2459/collection_resources/109253/file/210790/transcript/60829/annotation/582","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"that's all the resistance that he gave. 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