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business?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112802/file/215404#t=19.4,21.94"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112802/file/215404/transcript/70871/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"In 1964.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112802/file/215404#t=22.32,24.58"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112802/file/215404/transcript/70871/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"At that time were there many galleries in 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B.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112802/file/215404#t=1630.22,1631.06"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112802/file/215404/transcript/70871/annotation/367","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"it can be erased I wanted to ask Rodney the name of the place because","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112802/file/215404#t=1631.08,1634.64"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112802/file/215404/transcript/70871/annotation/368","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"he knows what you're saying about Mrs. Demenil Yes there is a black arts 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