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Kelly, formerly known as Miss Marguerite at City Hall.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113614/file/216620#t=10.29,15.03"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113614/file/216620/transcript/61432/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Marguerite Kelly: That's right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113614/file/216620#t=15.03,17.13"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113614/file/216620/transcript/61432/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Louis Marchiafava: I'd like to take this opportunity, this follow up interview, to talk with you about a few matters which perhaps we didn't cover as thoroughly as we might have.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113614/file/216620#t=17.13,26.91"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113614/file/216620/transcript/61432/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And since the previous interview was a couple of weeks ago or so, three weeks, I think, we will, you will have an opportunity to think a bit about some of these issues.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113614/file/216620#t=26.91,37.5"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113614/file/216620/transcript/61432/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I recall one of the issues we were, we discussed, involved the scandal of 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B.W.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113614/file/216620#t=55.89,61.08"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113614/file/216620/transcript/61432/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Payne, but your question always included the compelled resignation of Chief Payne.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113614/file/216620#t=61.08,69.18"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113614/file/216620/transcript/61432/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I think perhaps all I heard was this compelled resignation, which didn't, was not part of the 1936, '37 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It, it was a bad time and it was the police department was, were very, was very","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113614/file/216620#t=79.17,88.68"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113614/file/216620/transcript/61432/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"definitely, again, under investigation.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113614/file/216620#t=88.68,94.45"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113614/file/216620/transcript/61432/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Organized gambling, syndicate was the issue.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113614/file/216620#t=94.45,100.22"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113614/file/216620/transcript/61432/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And also was at issue at that particular time was a, was the syndicate pro- prostitution.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113614/file/216620#t=100.22,111.53"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113614/file/216620/transcript/61432/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I don't know whether you know it or not, but Mr.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113614/file/216620#t=111.53,113.42"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113614/file/216620/transcript/61432/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Holcombe in his earlier, one of his earlier years in, in the office had thought that a red light district would be an","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113614/file/216620#t=113.42,123.17"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113614/file/216620/transcript/61432/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"advantageous way to control prostitution.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113614/file/216620#t=123.17,128.39"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113614/file/216620/transcript/61432/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But, uh, it, it was, it was such a no no that once it was mentioned, and met with so much resentment, it, I don't think it was","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113614/file/216620#t=128.39,138.23"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113614/file/216620/transcript/61432/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"ever asked again, or mentioned again; I don't.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113614/file/216620#t=138.23,140.21"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113614/file/216620/transcript/61432/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But I do know that he did think that that would be a way to keep prostitution under control.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113614/file/216620#t=140.21,150.2"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113614/file/216620/transcript/61432/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Louis Marchiafava: Do you personally know if he had any connections with the gambling and prostitution interests in the city?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113614/file/216620#t=150.2,157.95"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113614/file/216620/transcript/61432/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Marguerite Kelly: No, no.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113614/file/216620#t=157.95,159.74"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113614/file/216620/transcript/61432/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And at that time, I, I kept all of Mr.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113614/file/216620#t=159.74,164.87"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113614/file/216620/transcript/61432/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Holcombe's personal checkbooks.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113614/file/216620#t=164.87,166.31"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113614/file/216620/transcript/61432/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I, uh, at the end, at the end of the month when the statements come in, came in, I would reconcile them.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113614/file/216620#t=166.31,174.02"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113614/file/216620/transcript/61432/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I kept Mrs. Holcombe's account.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113614/file/216620#t=174.02,175.95"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113614/file/216620/transcript/61432/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I kept his wife, I mean, his mother's accounts, Mrs.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113614/file/216620#t=175.95,179.24"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113614/file/216620/transcript/61432/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sarah Holcombe. 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So you new, your newcomer was usually subjected to somebody during the campaign, Lordy, I've been here, uh, I've been here all of my life.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113614/file/216620#t=875.75,884.96"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113614/file/216620/transcript/61432/annotation/167","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Don't vote for that, man.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113614/file/216620#t=884.96,886.13"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113614/file/216620/transcript/61432/annotation/168","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"He's crooked. 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You change them, it was automatically changed; there was two on there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113614/file/216620#t=2957.34,2965.8"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113614/file/216620/transcript/61432/annotation/575","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Louis Marchiafava: This is phonograph records you're talking about?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113614/file/216620#t=2965.8,2967.67"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113614/file/216620/transcript/61432/annotation/576","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Marguerite Kelly: Well, they were 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I've told you about some of his idiosyncrasies, but there was one that was an everyday affair.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113614/file/216620#t=3526.1,3536.45"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113614/file/216620/transcript/61432/annotation/676","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"His paper had to be in perfect order and in perfect page.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113614/file/216620#t=3536.45,3542.09"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113614/file/216620/transcript/61432/annotation/677","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It just had to be.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113614/file/216620#t=3542.09,3544.46"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113614/file/216620/transcript/61432/annotation/678","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And if it wasn't, I'd best be, find out why.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113614/file/216620#t=3544.46,3549.47"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113614/file/216620/transcript/61432/annotation/679","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I'm not saying he brought it out like that, but he had to have that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113614/file/216620#t=3549.47,3552.5"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113614/file/216620/transcript/61432/annotation/680","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And to this day, I do my papers in perfect order; section by section, page by page.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113614/file/216620#t=3552.5,3559.94"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113614/file/216620/transcript/61432/annotation/681","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And I don't like it when people mess up my paper.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113614/file/216620#t=3559.94,3563.0"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113614/file/216620/transcript/61432/annotation/682","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Louis Marchiafava: You probably picked it up from him.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113614/file/216620#t=3563.0,3564.2"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113614/file/216620/transcript/61432/annotation/683","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Marguerite Kelly: I, that's right. 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It's, um, I who should be thanking you for taking the time to participate in, in this endeavor to preserve, pass through","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113614/file/216620#t=3602.48,3613.61"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113614/file/216620/transcript/61432/annotation/695","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"oral history interviews.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113614/file/216620#t=3613.61,3616.28"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113614/file/216620/transcript/61432/annotation/696","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I think you've given us some very valuable information about a period where we really don't have 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