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This is June 14th, 2011.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678#t=6.41,13.37"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678/transcript/69801/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEster King:\u003c/strong\u003e Fifteenth.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678#t=13.37,13.64"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678/transcript/69801/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJacqueline Bartha:\u003c/strong\u003e Fifteenth.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678#t=13.64,15.62"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678/transcript/69801/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEster King:\u003c/strong\u003e There's my wife's birthday. And I said, wait a minute, I just. So we're going to dinner after this. And I","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678#t=15.62,22.07"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678/transcript/69801/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"said, wait a minute it can't be the fourteenth. Fifteenth.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678#t=22.07,25.1"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678/transcript/69801/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJacqueline Bartha:\u003c/strong\u003e Thank you. Today is June 15th, 2011.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678#t=25.1,29.42"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678/transcript/69801/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"This is Jacqueline Barta.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678#t=29.42,31.58"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678/transcript/69801/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I am interviewing activist Mr. Ester King. I have the privilege of interviewing him for Neighborhood Voices.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678#t=31.58,39.59"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678/transcript/69801/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So let's get started.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678#t=39.59,43.13"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678/transcript/69801/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Mr. King, to begin with, uh, if you'll state your full name, your age, date of birth and place of birth.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678#t=43.13,50.6"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678/transcript/69801/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEster King:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay. My full name is Ester.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678#t=50.6,53.9"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678/transcript/69801/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Without the \"h\" Lee, l-e-e King k-i-n-g.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678#t=53.9,59.27"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678/transcript/69801/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I was born June 26th, 1943.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678#t=59.27,65.27"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678/transcript/69801/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I'm both a war baby and a what?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678#t=65.27,69.44"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678/transcript/69801/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Boomer generation. Okay, all those kids born during and after the war. And I was born in a farmhouse","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678#t=69.44,78.98"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678/transcript/69801/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"with the aid of a midwife in Jasper County, right outside Jasper, Texas.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678#t=78.98,87.23"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678/transcript/69801/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Uh, on my grandparents farm where my mother was. My father was away in the Navy. And, uh, so, um,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678#t=87.23,97.07"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678/transcript/69801/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"that I spent my very early years on that farm, and we migrated to Houston, I think, in the","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678#t=97.07,106.97"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678/transcript/69801/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"early fifties.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678#t=106.97,108.86"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678/transcript/69801/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJacqueline Bartha:\u003c/strong\u003e What are your parents names?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678#t=108.86,111.29"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678/transcript/69801/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEster King:\u003c/strong\u003e Uh, my father, my late father is, uh, name was David King.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678#t=111.29,118.73"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678/transcript/69801/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"My mother's name was Virgie.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678#t=118.73,123.08"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678/transcript/69801/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Uh, maiden name Land l-a-n-d King.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678#t=123.08,126.83"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678/transcript/69801/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And she's still living.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678#t=126.83,129.14"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678/transcript/69801/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"She she will be eighty-eight, uh, a few days from now.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678#t=129.14,136.67"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678/transcript/69801/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"She made it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678#t=136.67,139.19"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678/transcript/69801/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJacqueline Bartha:\u003c/strong\u003e So, what schools did you attend? Were you ever at Gregory? I think you said your wife attended Gregory.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678#t=139.19,145.34"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678/transcript/69801/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEster King:\u003c/strong\u003e I, uh, started school in the Independent Heights here in Houston.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678#t=145.34,154.37"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678/transcript/69801/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Uh, we colloquially, we call it Studewood.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678#t=154.37,158.54"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678/transcript/69801/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But I've been corrected by people who've done the study and said, no, Studewood is near a town. 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And I remember playing football,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678#t=1355.18,1363.82"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678/transcript/69801/annotation/206","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"you travel and we played several schools in Mississippi.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678#t=1363.82,1369.04"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678/transcript/69801/annotation/207","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And I was actually when James Meredith was trying to go to Ole Miss, and they had to call the National Guard","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678#t=1369.04,1375.85"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678/transcript/69801/annotation/208","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"in. We were right there in Mississippi. We went right through. Oh, listen. Tear gas. Scared to death. Uh,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678#t=1375.85,1384.01"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678/transcript/69801/annotation/209","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"people seeing the bus and Texas and seeing Black players on the bus were, you know, were shouting","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678#t=1384.01,1392.29"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678/transcript/69801/annotation/210","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"epithets at you. And, you know, as bad as Texas was, I shall be glad when I get back to Texas. But anyway, so","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678#t=1392.29,1399.88"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678/transcript/69801/annotation/211","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"those things you were surrounded and you certainly couldn't pick up a newspaper and look at the news,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678#t=1399.88,1404.56"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678/transcript/69801/annotation/212","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"because just as right now, every the newspapers are always filled with the politics of the day or","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678#t=1404.56,1413.44"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678/transcript/69801/annotation/213","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Afghanistan or right now, the Middle East. 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So anytime you flipped","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678#t=1428.74,1437.2"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678/transcript/69801/annotation/216","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"on TV, it was there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678#t=1437.2,1439.69"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678/transcript/69801/annotation/217","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But and I knew that it had to do with me, and I knew that it also had to do with, um, progress that would","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678#t=1439.69,1449.59"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678/transcript/69801/annotation/218","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"affect me. But there had been no attempt where I was to for anybody to join anything.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678#t=1449.59,1457.27"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678/transcript/69801/annotation/219","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So and I don't know if I would have, I really don't. But I went to the military, uh, just,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678#t=1457.27,1467.11"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678/transcript/69801/annotation/220","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"just ahead of probably the draft, and I volunteered and got a choice of where I wanted to go. 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First time I'd ever actually lived with whites.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678#t=1498.61,1503.23"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678/transcript/69801/annotation/225","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"First time. The thing that I remember the most that stands out the most about that particular situation","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678#t=1503.23,1513.2"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678/transcript/69801/annotation/226","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"was this. I was utterly shocked and living in the barracks with white guys.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678#t=1513.2,1521.44"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678/transcript/69801/annotation/227","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And I was at Fort Polk, Louisiana. Uh, Leesville is a site was a segregated town right there and right","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678#t=1521.44,1529.36"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678/transcript/69801/annotation/228","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"in downtown Leesville, where the bars were no colored, whites only.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678#t=1529.36,1535.39"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678/transcript/69801/annotation/229","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Oh, yes, military base and guys going to Vietnam. Uh, and which is my second incident in terms of, uh,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678#t=1535.39,1545.32"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678/transcript/69801/annotation/230","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"like I described about the icehouse, my second incident happened there. But anyway. 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I didn't know I thought that until I was so shocked that they weren't. (Barta laughs)","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678#t=1575.32,1583.0"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678/transcript/69801/annotation/234","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"When I. Now I'm living with guy and I say, \"This guy dumb.\" You know--(inaudible).","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678#t=1583.0,1591.79"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678/transcript/69801/annotation/235","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And because of course, my life where whites were in charge of everything came with the feeling or","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678#t=1591.79,1601.57"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678/transcript/69801/annotation/236","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"belief that, uh, they had inherited that from a position of being smarter, wiser.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678#t=1601.57,1611.41"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678/transcript/69801/annotation/237","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And I was utterly shocked to realize that I could out think most of the guys that I'm coming in","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678#t=1611.41,1621.13"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678/transcript/69801/annotation/238","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"contact with, that was the first revelation. It was the first, very first. And, um, the second was, of","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678#t=1621.13,1630.82"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678/transcript/69801/annotation/239","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"course, the discrimination that was practiced, though it wasn't as pronounced in the military, it was there,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678#t=1630.82,1638.17"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678/transcript/69801/annotation/240","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"but it wasn't it wasn't like because, of course, where I came from, you had these lines by law, you know, if","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678#t=1638.17,1646.18"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678/transcript/69801/annotation/241","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"you didn't sit where you were supposed to sit on the bus, the bus driver could arrest you. 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And when I read","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678#t=1657.76,1664.09"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678/transcript/69801/annotation/244","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"about Montgomery and I said \"Well, yeah, they did that in Houston too.\" The bus driver could actually arrest you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678#t=1664.09,1669.67"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678/transcript/69801/annotation/245","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJacqueline Bartha:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, you saw my jaw drop.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678#t=1669.67,1671.56"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678/transcript/69801/annotation/246","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEster King:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, Yeah right. They had the authority.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678#t=1671.56,1671.95"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678/transcript/69801/annotation/247","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJacqueline Bartha:\u003c/strong\u003e I thought all they could do was detain you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678#t=1671.95,1673.24"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678/transcript/69801/annotation/248","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEster King:\u003c/strong\u003e No, no, no, the bus driver could arrest you, give you to the police. 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I had no knowledge of of that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678#t=2158.36,2166.61"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678/transcript/69801/annotation/322","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So this created a hunger in me to know, to know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678#t=2166.61,2172.34"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678/transcript/69801/annotation/323","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But now, now Malcolm has been killed.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678#t=2172.34,2177.17"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678/transcript/69801/annotation/324","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Prior to that time, my first I first heard of the Muslims when I was in high school because somebody out in","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678#t=2177.17,2187.01"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678/transcript/69801/annotation/325","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"my neighborhood. 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And we I didn't know very much about that, but I knew that it was some group that made white folks","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678#t=2197.4,2204.54"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678/transcript/69801/annotation/328","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"nervous. I knew that, and they were over in, uh, the mosque then was over on Polk Street, I believe. 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Okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678#t=2233.58,2235.14"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678/transcript/69801/annotation/335","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEster King:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. Do these sound bites pick out something for shock value? 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And by now we're having these conversations, guys, Black guys from different parts of","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678#t=2257.22,2263.25"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678/transcript/69801/annotation/339","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"the country. And of course, Muhammad Ali is in the news. This is when they took the license and he's","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678#t=2263.25,2271.02"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678/transcript/69801/annotation/340","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"fighting. 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The jury gave him thirty.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678#t=2507.64,2510.28"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678/transcript/69801/annotation/377","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Oh, but anyway, I'll make available to you. I'll give you a copy of.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678#t=2510.28,2515.92"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678/transcript/69801/annotation/378","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"There's a documentary, a tape documentary, not not not movie on his life and on that whole thing Leotis Johnson.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678#t=2515.92,2525.43"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678/transcript/69801/annotation/379","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJacqueline Bartha:\u003c/strong\u003e Thank you I would love too.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678#t=2525.43,2525.64"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678/transcript/69801/annotation/380","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEster King:\u003c/strong\u003e Called. Let me see what's it it's called, uh, uh, something Leotis Johnson. But anyway, it traces the whole case with interviews of","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678#t=2525.64,2534.31"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678/transcript/69801/annotation/381","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"people who dead now, chief of police, all these folk. And I'll give you. 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So a kid lynched.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678#t=4859.64,4864.79"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678/transcript/69801/annotation/752","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I mean, he wound up looking like this so that, you know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678#t=4864.79,4868.66"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678/transcript/69801/annotation/753","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJacqueline Bartha:\u003c/strong\u003e What was the total? What was the different feeling? Was it fear? Was it rage? Was? 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So I get much pleasure","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678#t=5137.49,5147.84"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678/transcript/69801/annotation/791","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"from trying along with others. Much pleasure.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678#t=5147.84,5152.91"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678/transcript/69801/annotation/792","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJacqueline Bartha:\u003c/strong\u003e So what about the people who didn't pay their fare?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678#t=5152.91,5157.02"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678/transcript/69801/annotation/793","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"There's always talk about the activists who go out and risk their lives and dedicate their lives to getting","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678#t=5157.02,5166.44"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678/transcript/69801/annotation/794","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"rights for the people who say, oh, I ain't getting involved with that. 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Fill out a job application somebody wants you to be in human resources in a","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678#t=5484.22,5490.55"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678/transcript/69801/annotation/841","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"company, put down Negro, and see that your interviewing people, well what where the hell you been?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678#t=5490.55,5499.01"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678/transcript/69801/annotation/842","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"They saying, African American you saying Negro. I said, and I said, well, I don't think we can use him. We better","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678#t=5499.01,5505.52"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678/transcript/69801/annotation/843","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"try to get somebody who who's more up-to-date. So it doesn't take a bunch of folk, because I remember, uh,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678#t=5505.52,5513.26"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678/transcript/69801/annotation/844","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"when, when the term African American was being used, just a handful of us saying that, just a handful. And","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678#t=5513.26,5519.53"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678/transcript/69801/annotation/845","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"now everybody saying. It never takes everybody. But there's always generally some people out front who are","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678#t=5519.53,5527.93"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678/transcript/69801/annotation/846","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"willing to move and not wait for blessings, not wait for agreements said, No, I'm right, I'm moving. 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You know, so, uh, and people","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678#t=5540.9,5548.49"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678/transcript/69801/annotation/849","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"generally out front are moved by conscience, moved by what's. And, you know, it's it's. I was never","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678#t=5548.49,5558.31"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678/transcript/69801/annotation/850","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"impoverished, uh, economically.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678#t=5558.31,5562.99"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678/transcript/69801/annotation/851","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"My father always had a job. Um, he also, his side job was a TV repairman, so he always had a job.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678#t=5562.99,5573.13"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678/transcript/69801/annotation/852","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We always had a car. Um, he's bought his.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678#t=5573.13,5578.08"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678/transcript/69801/annotation/853","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"He became a homeowner in the early 50s when we moved. He bought a house, so I didn't.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678#t=5578.08,5585.58"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678/transcript/69801/annotation/854","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Unlike my wife, who grew up from apartment to apartment. The only time she ever had a home when we","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678#t=5585.58,5591.16"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678/transcript/69801/annotation/855","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"married. So it wasn't a sense of anger out of.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678#t=5591.16,5595.72"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678/transcript/69801/annotation/856","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And I was perfectly happy in segregation. I was, um, I wasn't running around crying. Oh, why am I segregated?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678#t=5595.72,5602.47"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678/transcript/69801/annotation/857","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And I was just being a person.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678#t=5602.47,5605.23"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678/transcript/69801/annotation/858","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJacqueline Bartha:\u003c/strong\u003e It was all you knew.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678#t=5605.23,5606.85"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678/transcript/69801/annotation/859","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEster King:\u003c/strong\u003e It was all I knew. But then when I found out, you know how the world is and how it was shaped and that people","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678#t=5606.85,5615.64"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678/transcript/69801/annotation/860","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"did this. People did this, you know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678#t=5615.64,5619.51"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678/transcript/69801/annotation/861","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, no natural order. God didn't do. People did this, and people can undo it. I was one of those people. Try","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678#t=5619.51,5628.21"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678/transcript/69801/annotation/862","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"to undo it. I know that, um, as I tally up what successes and what failures there are episodes, well you","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678#t=5628.21,5637.15"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678/transcript/69801/annotation/863","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"know, we were successful, for instance, in getting Leotis out of prison. We were successful in keeping getting,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678#t=5637.15,5643.51"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678/transcript/69801/annotation/864","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"um, Clarence Brandley off death row as a project. You know, it didn't change the landscape, but we always","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678#t=5643.51,5651.16"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678/transcript/69801/annotation/865","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"called upon to deal with these individual cases that cry out. 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Last Saturday I was going to Lowe's to shop.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678#t=5667.06,5674.77"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678/transcript/69801/annotation/868","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Got out of my truck, I was walking. This young man had gotten out of a truck and near enough for me to know","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678#t=5674.77,5680.83"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678/transcript/69801/annotation/869","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and speak. How are you doing? Yeah,fine.  But before I got in the store, he said, \"Are you Mr. King?\" I turned around,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678#t=5680.83,5689.17"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678/transcript/69801/annotation/870","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I said, \"Yes, sir.\" and I said \"But I don't think I've had the pleasure.\" No.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678#t=5689.17,5695.37"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678/transcript/69801/annotation/871","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"No sign of recognition. Not even a hint. He said, Well, I tell you what he said, \"Back in 1968, I was a young","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678#t=5695.37,5704.85"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678/transcript/69801/annotation/872","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"man. I was a boy, and I was with a crew of young folk that you were supervisor, and we, uh, cleaned up and","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678#t=5704.85,5713.43"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678/transcript/69801/annotation/873","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"repaired homes for elderly people and cleaned up a cemetery and all of that.\" And I remembered I said,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678#t=5713.43,5721.38"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678/transcript/69801/annotation/874","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\"Yeah, that's true, that's true. I remember that back in '68.\" He said, \"Well, I was just a boy, but you","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678#t=5721.38,5728.05"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678/transcript/69801/annotation/875","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"talk to us and there were things you said that I remember to this day.\" He said, \"I've, uh. After then I went to TSU, I","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678#t=5728.05,5737.26"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678/transcript/69801/annotation/876","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"dropped out, I went in the navy, I stayed in the navy twenty years. Came out, went back to TSU, finished, got a","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678#t=5737.26,5743.38"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678/transcript/69801/annotation/877","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"family out of that,\" he said. But I said, \"Man, how in the world could you remember that? 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I certainly don't remember any people in it.\" He said, \"I don't know, there's just some things you said.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678#t=5751.39,5757.06"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678/transcript/69801/annotation/879","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"He said, \"I'll always remember.\" So that gave me the sense that there's some intangibles, uh, that your","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678#t=5757.06,5766.33"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678/transcript/69801/annotation/880","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"life can make some difference even when you don't know, even when you don't know, you're making a difference.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678#t=5766.33,5776.15"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678/transcript/69801/annotation/881","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And so in that respect, uh, I want when finally, you know, they throw the dirt in on me, I want somebody to","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678#t=5776.15,5785.66"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678/transcript/69801/annotation/882","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"be able to say, Well, he tried. He came here.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678#t=5785.66,5790.1"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678/transcript/69801/annotation/883","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"He found a world that wasn't near what it needed to be. He tried. Might not have been successful. I don't know,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678#t=5790.1,5796.19"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678/transcript/69801/annotation/884","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"that's what I would say, but he tried.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678#t=5796.19,5797.84"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678/transcript/69801/annotation/885","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So that's what I would.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2529/collection_resources/113954/file/216678#t=5797.84,5800.34"}]}]}]}