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Bichette.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113630/file/216636#t=1391.81,1409.17"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113630/file/216636/transcript/70975/annotation/292","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Here's some papers that I have delivered on labor at different times.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113630/file/216636#t=1409.17,1413.81"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113630/file/216636/transcript/70975/annotation/293","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And here's 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