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That's when they consolidated.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113611/file/216617#t=884.18,887.81"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113611/file/216617/transcript/61429/annotation/139","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, I think the Ed Kiem, well the Ed Kiem thing might have been around that same period, around 1908, 1907, because I think when they bought the Ed Kiem","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113611/file/216617#t=887.81,897.17"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113611/file/216617/transcript/61429/annotation/140","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"business, I had already been 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They would no doubt say to that man, Well you just go ahead, if you, you pay us when you can afford to pay us.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113611/file/216617#t=2114.77,2123.47"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113611/file/216617/transcript/61429/annotation/350","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And that was the way they ran their credit department.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113611/file/216617#t=2123.47,2126.32"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113611/file/216617/transcript/61429/annotation/351","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And, I don't know whether people were more honorable in those days, but our credit losses back in those years were some of the best years we've ever shown","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113611/file/216617#t=2126.32,2136.13"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113611/file/216617/transcript/61429/annotation/352","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"records of. 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Much, much later.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113611/file/216617#t=2259.84,2261.91"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113611/file/216617/transcript/61429/annotation/374","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I would say, uh, back in those days, it would be like operating from a peddlers","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113611/file/216617#t=2261.91,2271.77"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113611/file/216617/transcript/61429/annotation/375","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"wagon. To today, where we operate from IBM equipment.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113611/file/216617#t=2271.77,2278.16"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113611/file/216617/transcript/61429/annotation/376","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"All of the postings and all of the records were kept by hand.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113611/file/216617#t=2278.16,2282.21"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113611/file/216617/transcript/61429/annotation/377","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The office staff was sitting by these big, long machines that would post all of these things; but it was, they were all done by 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There's another question.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113611/file/216617#t=2685.31,2686.18"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113611/file/216617/transcript/61429/annotation/444","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Policy was set by our two seniors that we even live by today.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113611/file/216617#t=2686.18,2691.1"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113611/file/216617/transcript/61429/annotation/445","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We buy the best product we can buy for the 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spirit.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113611/file/216617#t=2782.19,2790.88"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113611/file/216617/transcript/61429/annotation/460","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We've been fortunate in being in a very progressive city.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113611/file/216617#t=2790.88,2796.23"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113611/file/216617/transcript/61429/annotation/461","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"There's a lot of reasons for 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Hobby's.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113611/file/216617#t=2880.06,2884.78"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113611/file/216617/transcript/61429/annotation/482","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Have they formed and, did they create an informal group of, for leadership?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113611/file/216617#t=2884.78,2891.33"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113611/file/216617/transcript/61429/annotation/483","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, one of the most important ones you didn't even mention, which is George 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Oscar Holcombe.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113611/file/216617#t=2898.38,2902.28"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113611/file/216617/transcript/61429/annotation/486","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"No, I don't think it came from that group, really.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113611/file/216617#t=2902.28,2904.29"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113611/file/216617/transcript/61429/annotation/487","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I think a lot of the money came from that group.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113611/file/216617#t=2904.29,2906.75"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113611/file/216617/transcript/61429/annotation/488","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We couldn't have had our medical center without A.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113611/file/216617#t=2906.75,2909.58"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113611/file/216617/transcript/61429/annotation/489","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Cullen, or A.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113611/file/216617#t=2909.58,2911.51"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113611/file/216617/transcript/61429/annotation/490","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jones. 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C.C.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113611/file/216617#t=2944.37,2946.06"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113611/file/216617/transcript/61429/annotation/494","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"What is it?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113611/file/216617#t=2946.06,2947.0"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113611/file/216617/transcript/61429/annotation/495","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e 01:\u003c/strong\u003e 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The early '50s?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113611/file/216617#t=2985.4,2987.1"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113611/file/216617/transcript/61429/annotation/508","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The Houston Ship Channel is the same thing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113611/file/216617#t=2987.1,2989.94"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113611/file/216617/transcript/61429/annotation/509","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113611/file/216617#t=2989.94,2991.73"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113611/file/216617/transcript/61429/annotation/510","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e 01:\u003c/strong\u003e Mr. Bernard, probably the colorful stories are about the individuals, but the actual business was from the corporate leaders and the-","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113611/file/216617#t=2991.73,3000.5"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113611/file/216617/transcript/61429/annotation/511","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e 02:\u003c/strong\u003e If I can interject, interject a comment, there's, there are those who have said that, that, uh, that Houston in the '30s and '40s was sort of marked","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113611/file/216617#t=3000.5,3010.31"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113611/file/216617/transcript/61429/annotation/512","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"by individual leadership, that there was a sort of a pre corporate type of, of atmosphere, and that when World, when World War II occurred, and the tremendous","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113611/file/216617#t=3010.31,3020.09"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113611/file/216617/transcript/61429/annotation/513","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"changes in the community occurred from then that we sort of evolved from of an individual sort of entrepreneurial leadership to more of a corporate","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113611/file/216617#t=3020.09,3029.57"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113611/file/216617/transcript/61429/annotation/514","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"managerial kind of collective leadership here, like when the multinational corporations really made their home here, like Shell and so forth.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113611/file/216617#t=3029.57,3037.76"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113611/file/216617/transcript/61429/annotation/515","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And I, I think this is-","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113611/file/216617#t=3037.76,3038.99"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113611/file/216617/transcript/61429/annotation/516","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"This, came much later.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113611/file/216617#t=3038.99,3041.03"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113611/file/216617/transcript/61429/annotation/517","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e 02:\u003c/strong\u003e Right. 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There wasn't enough money in the world to pay that kind of talent.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113611/file/216617#t=3136.97,3142.16"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113611/file/216617/transcript/61429/annotation/534","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And Houston was getting it for free.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113611/file/216617#t=3142.16,3149.5"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113611/file/216617/transcript/61429/annotation/535","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Do you have any other questions you want to ask me?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113611/file/216617#t=3149.5,3151.1"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113611/file/216617/transcript/61429/annotation/536","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Okay. I'd like to move on to the World War II period.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113611/file/216617#t=3151.1,3159.28"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113611/file/216617/transcript/61429/annotation/537","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"How did that affect the growth of Sakowitz?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113611/file/216617#t=3159.28,3162.7"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113611/file/216617/transcript/61429/annotation/538","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Development of it. Were these particularly troublesome years due to shortages?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113611/file/216617#t=3162.7,3167.77"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113611/file/216617/transcript/61429/annotation/539","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"How did you deal with those problems related to it?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113611/file/216617#t=3167.77,3172.16"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113611/file/216617/transcript/61429/annotation/540","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We never had to, really too much trouble with 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We always knew the principle of the company that we were dealing with, and","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113611/file/216617#t=3216.38,3227.17"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113611/file/216617/transcript/61429/annotation/551","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"if it was required that the company would go on allocation with their product as, for example, nylon stockings, we would always","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113611/file/216617#t=3227.17,3237.07"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113611/file/216617/transcript/61429/annotation/552","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"get our fair 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About World War I.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113611/file/216617#t=3384.15,3390.76"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113611/file/216617/transcript/61429/annotation/579","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Were there any particular innovation-","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113611/file/216617#t=3390.76,3392.32"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113611/file/216617/transcript/61429/annotation/580","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I remember, because we had so damn many 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What, do you mind do that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113611/file/216617#t=3932.12,3933.5"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113611/file/216617/transcript/61429/annotation/679","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sure.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113611/file/216617#t=3933.5,3933.89"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113611/file/216617/transcript/61429/annotation/680","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I'll never pick up again, I'll tell you 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Jones.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113611/file/216617#t=3946.28,3952.73"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113611/file/216617/transcript/61429/annotation/687","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"He did the Gulf Building.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113611/file/216617#t=3952.73,3956.54"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113611/file/216617/transcript/61429/annotation/688","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"He did all of Jones's buildings, the hotel.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113611/file/216617#t=3956.54,3961.19"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113611/file/216617/transcript/61429/annotation/689","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And, uh, I guess it was through Jessie Jones's contact that we used Alfred Finn.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113611/file/216617#t=3961.19,3972.32"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113611/file/216617/transcript/61429/annotation/690","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Was easy to work with it, or do 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He had a man that he assigned us to that was by the name of Johnson.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113611/file/216617#t=3973.96,3979.69"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113611/file/216617/transcript/61429/annotation/692","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And Mr. Johnson was a very thorough architect.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113611/file/216617#t=3979.69,3983.26"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113611/file/216617/transcript/61429/annotation/693","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"He worked in Finn's office for years.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113611/file/216617#t=3983.26,3985.87"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113611/file/216617/transcript/61429/annotation/694","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Unfortunately, he's now deceased.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113611/file/216617#t=3985.87,3992.69"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113611/file/216617/transcript/61429/annotation/695","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I want to thank you very much for consenting to the interview-.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113611/file/216617#t=3992.69,3995.84"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113611/file/216617/transcript/61429/annotation/696","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Have I given you any information that you can use?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113611/file/216617#t=3995.84,3998.0"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113611/file/216617/transcript/61429/annotation/697","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yes, quite a bit, much.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113611/file/216617#t=3998.0,4000.77"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113611/file/216617/transcript/61429/annotation/698","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Thank you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113611/file/216617#t=4000.77,4001.13"}]},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113611/file/216617/transcript/61429","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["English [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/113611/file/216617/transcript/61429/annotation/699","type":"Annotation","motivation":"subtitling","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/file_transcripts/associated_files/000/061/429/original/transcript_1705527183.vtt20240117-3795562-u3fllt.vtt?1705509183","format":"text/vtt","language":"en"},"target":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/file_transcripts/associated_files/000/061/429/original/transcript_1705527183.vtt20240117-3795562-u3fllt.vtt?1705509183"}]}]}]}