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Chatham:\nThis is an interview with Mr.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2467/collection_resources/109622/file/211104#t=6.47,7.85"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2467/collection_resources/109622/file/211104/transcript/60847/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Erwin Heinen of Houston, Texas.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2467/collection_resources/109622/file/211104#t=7.85,9.99"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2467/collection_resources/109622/file/211104/transcript/60847/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It was initially conducted at 3:30 p.m., March the 14th, 1976, at\nTemple Emanu El in Houston, under the joint jurisdiction of the local\nchapter","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2467/collection_resources/109622/file/211104#t=10.01,19.73"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2467/collection_resources/109622/file/211104/transcript/60847/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"of the National Council of Jewish Women and the Harris County\nHistorical Society.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2467/collection_resources/109622/file/211104#t=20.09,24.8"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2467/collection_resources/109622/file/211104/transcript/60847/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The initial interview was by Jo Siegen and was forty-five minutes\nlong.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2467/collection_resources/109622/file/211104#t=25.46,29.57"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2467/collection_resources/109622/file/211104/transcript/60847/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"However, due to some malfunction or other, the second fifteen minutes\nof the tape was blank.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2467/collection_resources/109622/file/211104#t=30.44,35.72"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2467/collection_resources/109622/file/211104/transcript/60847/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"In early August 1976, Mr.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2467/collection_resources/109622/file/211104#t=36.14,39.32"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2467/collection_resources/109622/file/211104/transcript/60847/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Heinen consented to fill in the fifteen minute gap, plus add an\nadditional fifteen minutes, making a total of a sixty minute tape with\nRussell Chatham,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2467/collection_resources/109622/file/211104#t=39.32,48.86"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2467/collection_resources/109622/file/211104/transcript/60847/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"the interviewer, for the second and fourth quarters of that hour.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2467/collection_resources/109622/file/211104#t=48.86,54.05"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2467/collection_resources/109622/file/211104/transcript/60847/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Erwin Heinen:\nI was born in March 17th, 1906, at Comfort Texas, which is the hill\ncountry west of San Antonio.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2467/collection_resources/109622/file/211104#t=54.86,61.49"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2467/collection_resources/109622/file/211104/transcript/60847/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jo Siegen:\nOkay, it's on.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2467/collection_resources/109622/file/211104#t=65.61,66.65"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2467/collection_resources/109622/file/211104/transcript/60847/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Mr. Heinen. Could you tell.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2467/collection_resources/109622/file/211104#t=66.65,67.83"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2467/collection_resources/109622/file/211104/transcript/60847/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":".. or Heinen, could you tell me something about your parents?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2467/collection_resources/109622/file/211104#t=67.98,71.27"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2467/collection_resources/109622/file/211104/transcript/60847/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Erwin Heinen:\nYes, I'd be glad to.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2467/collection_resources/109622/file/211104#t=71.28,72.54"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2467/collection_resources/109622/file/211104/transcript/60847/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"My father, Hubert Heinen, and my mother, Elsa Heinen.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2467/collection_resources/109622/file/211104#t=72.57,78.39"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2467/collection_resources/109622/file/211104/transcript/60847/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Elsa Strohacker Heinen were married in 1900.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2467/collection_resources/109622/file/211104#t=78.39,84.04"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2467/collection_resources/109622/file/211104/transcript/60847/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"They were born, both born in Comfort.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2467/collection_resources/109622/file/211104#t=84.06,86.46"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2467/collection_resources/109622/file/211104/transcript/60847/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"My grandparents, having come from, all four having come from Germany\nin approximately 1850 and, uh,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2467/collection_resources/109622/file/211104#t=86.73,95.97"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2467/collection_resources/109622/file/211104/transcript/60847/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"married here.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2467/collection_resources/109622/file/211104#t=98.1,99.12"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2467/collection_resources/109622/file/211104/transcript/60847/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And my father was a schoolteacher and a principal of the school.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2467/collection_resources/109622/file/211104#t=99.12,103.77"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2467/collection_resources/109622/file/211104/transcript/60847/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So I had the problem of going to school to my own dad.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2467/collection_resources/109622/file/211104#t=104.04,107.25"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2467/collection_resources/109622/file/211104/transcript/60847/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jo Siegen:\nNow, did he live and die, he lived and died in Comfort?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2467/collection_resources/109622/file/211104#t=107.49,109.65"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2467/collection_resources/109622/file/211104/transcript/60847/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Erwin Heinen:\nYes, he... Both of my parents died at the age of ninety-three, so they\nlived there their whole life.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2467/collection_resources/109622/file/211104#t=110.49,115.41"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2467/collection_resources/109622/file/211104/transcript/60847/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jo Siegen:\nWell, as a young boy, did you do odd jobs or...?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2467/collection_resources/109622/file/211104#t=115.41,117.78"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2467/collection_resources/109622/file/211104/transcript/60847/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Erwin Heinen:\nOh, yes, all the sorts of jobs you do in a small town.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2467/collection_resources/109622/file/211104#t=117.9,121.26"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2467/collection_resources/109622/file/211104/transcript/60847/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"This was a town of three or four hundred people.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2467/collection_resources/109622/file/211104#t=121.26,124.23"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2467/collection_resources/109622/file/211104/transcript/60847/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And you worked in the drugstore, or you worked on the farm, or you\ndid whatever jobs you could.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2467/collection_resources/109622/file/211104#t=124.23,129.69"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2467/collection_resources/109622/file/211104/transcript/60847/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"One job I remember was sweeping out the schoolhouse.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2467/collection_resources/109622/file/211104#t=130.32,135.72"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2467/collection_resources/109622/file/211104/transcript/60847/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jo Siegen:\nAlright. Now, so you went to school in Comfort, so when you, the first\ntime that you would, you went away from school, from home was actually\nwhen you went away to college, was that right?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2467/collection_resources/109622/file/211104#t=135.72,144.5"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2467/collection_resources/109622/file/211104/transcript/60847/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Erwin Heinen:\nThat's right. 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Over a period of years the maintenance of our schools has not been\ngood.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2467/collection_resources/109622/file/211104#t=3217.9,3224.23"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2467/collection_resources/109622/file/211104/transcript/60847/annotation/515","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We found that there are many of our schools, some seventy-five of\nthem are over twenty-five years old.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2467/collection_resources/109622/file/211104#t=3227.41,3236.32"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2467/collection_resources/109622/file/211104/transcript/60847/annotation/516","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And in many of these schools, very little has been done except an\noccasional paint job, or things of that nature.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2467/collection_resources/109622/file/211104#t=3236.95,3246.88"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2467/collection_resources/109622/file/211104/transcript/60847/annotation/517","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So some of these schools really are in need of bad, badly in need of\nrehabilitation","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2467/collection_resources/109622/file/211104#t=3247.03,3254.14"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2467/collection_resources/109622/file/211104/transcript/60847/annotation/518","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":". 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