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Nold.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112817/file/215422#t=6.22,9.4"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112817/file/215422/transcript/71865/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"In order that future researchers might have more insight into your","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112817/file/215422#t=17.75,21.17"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112817/file/215422/transcript/71865/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"recollections, we'd like to begin the interview by asking a bit 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