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education?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112824/file/215429#t=30.92,32.48"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112824/file/215429/transcript/70253/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I got a bachelor's degree in business from the University of Southwestern","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112824/file/215429#t=33.6,38.44"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112824/file/215429/transcript/70253/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Louisiana in 1963, a master's in criminology and corrections from Sam 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1971.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112824/file/215429#t=51.52,54.2"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112824/file/215429/transcript/70253/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"What led you into the study of law?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112824/file/215429#t=55.52,57.68"},{"id":"https://houstonlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2509/collection_resources/112824/file/215429/transcript/70253/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, really I was 29 years old and had three kids before I decided 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